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Setting - Vertical Maneuvering Equipment

In the Setting, the equipment used by the soldiers and scouts is referred to as Vertical Maneuvering Equipment (立体機動装置, Rittai Kidō Sōchi), however a more accurate translation would be "Three-dimensional Maneuvering Equipment". In the List of Attack on Titan episodes page, it is referred to as "Three-dimensional Maneuvering Equipment". In the information section of Episode 3 of the subtitled version I've seen, the translation refers to "3D Maneuver Gear". It should be consistent across both pages. Does anyone know the source for the English expression used in the Setting, or have an authoritative reference that can be used? Ozflashman (talk) 00:10, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I think the English subtitles on the Netflix release of Season 1 uses 3D maneuvering equipment or something close to that. I should point out that the Netflix subs also use Scout Regiment instead of Survey Corps, which seems to be the preferred term from what I've seen of the subbed episodes of Season 2. — Gestrid (talk) 01:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Attack_on_Titan/Archive_1#Is_it_3dmg_or_vertical_maneuvering_equipment.3F AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Of course, WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE, so you're welcome to start a new discussion on it now that the anime's a little older. Personally, I don't think it's worth the trouble of starting a new discussion. — Gestrid (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick responses. I wasn't aware of the earlier discussion, however it seems inconclusive. If the decision was Vertical Maneuvering Equipment, then it should also be used in the List of Attack on Titan episodes page, and an appropriate abbreviation/acronym would be useful. Comments? Ozflashman (talk) 07:02, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
For terminology for the episodes list, you should use the Funimation dub, followed by Funimation official subs. The Netflix version might be relying on unofficial English subs (many online versions from Crunchyroll to Hulu had used the unofficial) so I wouldn't trust those. Do not use the Engrish text spelling as shown on the screen sometimes. Also if they don't use acronyms like VME or OME or 3DME, don't create them. The characters list and the main article Setting should follow the manga terminology as presented by the official English version, which is what the discussion I referenced above is about. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:16, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Netflix season 1 episode 3 subtitles used "Omni-directional Mobility Gear" and they use the font typically associated with Funimation. They might mix that with 3D, but I'd have to go rewatch the series to look for the 3D one. I don't have access to the dub part so not sure how that was presented, whether it was 3D or not. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
With the lack of a definitive resolution, I propose that the term be left as is on the Attack on Titan page (ie. Vertical Maneuvering Equipment (立体機動装置, Rittai Kidō Sōchi)), but on the List of Attack on Titan episodes page all instances be simplified to "Maneuvering Equipment" - that should serve the purpose of providing an unambiguous and succinct expression that uses the fewest words. Ozflashman (talk) 13:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Ozflashman, that sounds like a good idea. It's pretty clear what that is. If later translations show other terms we can always add a footnote to highlight all the different names for that piece. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Reconfirmed Manga Vol. 4 English version: "Vertical Maneuvering Equipment" is used in the formal description section. The characters also say "Vertical Maneuvering Gear". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Translation: Scouts vs. Survey Corps

At risk of wandering into a flame war... any particular reason this article (and the subarticles) uses "Survey Corps" rather than "Scout Regiment"? There are even links to references to the translation "controversy" (read: some people didn't like the new terms, shock, call the media) used as references [1]. But... "some people don't like the term" isn't cause to use the old versions, barring some kind of cataclysmic notability difference (e.g. a more recent soundtrack CD uses some totally crazy translation, but it's a minor source). Is there something I'm missing, or should it be switched to Scouts? 2604:2000:12C1:C0AB:88A0:FE8F:D4AE:FD37 (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Manga sales

The "behind One piece" thing is not necessary and I don't see it as related.

I don't know what happened but to me it seems you don't wanna discuss simply because I have a point.

"Since it's the second best-selling, it clearly raises the question of what was first to provide context." If that's true then why not mention here too?

Attack on Titan was the second highest selling manga series of 2013, with 15,933,801 copies sold in a single year. And here: By the end of the year, it was the second best selling manga with 11,728,368 copies sold

In 2015, the series sold 8,778,048 copies ranking third for the year

Please remove it. It's not important. 31.203.18.60 (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Opencooper: as the one who originally reverted the edit. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 23:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. 31.203.18.60 (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. It's common practice to put achievements into context. That's why every manga article doesn't say it's the best ever. And when a manga has almost won an award, we mention the actual winner. In this case the figure is shown in relation to the topseller, and since it's second place, the name and figures of that title are relevant. That's simply all there is to it: it's relevant information. Consistency is certainly a laudable goal, but we're discussing the removal of information here. If you feel it's appropriate, we can certainly add that info to the other passages as well. Opencooper (talk) 01:37, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't agree, look at Dragon Ball, it's the second best selling manga while One piece is first but can you see it mentioned anywhere? Nope. I'm tired of this so I'm just gonna remove the number of sales as it's not really important. 46.186.176.13 (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Literal translation of the title

The literal translation was "Advancing Giants" until it was changed to "The Attacking Titan" on 2016-12-09 (and later to "Attacking Titan") with the reason given: "New chapter gave us new information for the most faithful possible title translation. It's singular, not plural." Let's say I believe that is accurate and so I'm changing it to "Advancing Giant". ("Advancing" is debatable but no reason was given for changing it.) Yuhani (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Does Japanese use the concept of singular/plural on their titles? Can someone dig up a secondary source on literally translating the title according to scholars and not original research? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
If this comes from official translations rather than fansubs, we might as well include all.Tintor2 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Japanese doesn't have singular and plural. 巨人 can mean either "giant" or "giants" so it needs to be determined from context (or some other source) whether the author intended it to mean one giant or several. Yuhani (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I should clarify that I myself have no idea which one it's supposed to be. Yuhani (talk) 23:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
In "Japanese: A Linguistic Introduction" By Yoko Hasegawa, page 64: "In Japanese, the singular–plural distinction is not obligatory and normally not specified." To specify singular or plural in Japanese you must use auxiliary words, or determine it from context. No quantifiers appear in the title. In English, singular versus plural specification is mandatory for most words, with a default to singular, so there is no way to make a truly literal translation, except perhaps to use brackets to indicate the intrinsic ambiguity: "Advance of the Giant[s]". As for context, a new Japanese reader to the series is clearly intended to interpret the title as referring to the giants (plural) advancing on civilization, and then to pick up, once they reach the relevant story arc, on the dual meaning of the protagonist giant (singular) advancing on the conspiracy. 97.115.80.48 (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I admit I only did a year and a half of college Japanese, but translating "[noun] の" as an adjective does not seem correct to me. "Advance of..." or "...'s Advance" would be more appropriate. I'm not sure what would be an appropriate scholarly reference for this fact. A dictionary database entry to "の" that explains it indicates possession[1]? How would I explain that "advancing" in that English construction is a description of the giant[s], and not an action associated with them, as it is in the Japanese phrase? Additionally, "advance" is probably more correct than "attack"; two of the three example translations from the Tanaka Corpus [2] use "advance", the WWWJDIC entry for 進撃 gives "advance" and "charge" as translations, and there are other phrases using 進撃 that aren't related to attacking at all (eg, marching order). 97.115.80.48 (talk) 23:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
The title should not be the Attack Titan, why is a

References

  1. ^ http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/entr.py?svc=jmdict&sid=&q=1469800
  2. ^ http://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1Q%BF%CA%B7%E2_1_
When の is used to indicate possession, "AのB" means "A's B", not the other way around. However, の has other meanings as well. Yuhani (talk) 23:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Ymir death

Ymir death not as side-effect, it's Spear!!! .--Waso99 (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Plot Summary

The Plot summary has become overly long, possibly the product of "Plot bloat" with excessive narrative detail, and it no longer conforms with the guidelines. If no-one else is prepared to shorten it or structure it in an effective manner, I propose to reduce the text in the next few days to make it both compliant and useful content within the article. Happy to discuss. Ozflashman (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

To editor Ozflashman: It's been nearly a year since this. Has something happened? User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 13:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I delayed it as there was a lot of activity on the Attack on Titan articles, including the episode summaries. Now that Season 3 has ended and the articles somewhat stabilised, I'll look at editing down the Plot and the Episode Summaries to a more acceptable level. Ozflashman (talk) 02:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. MOS:MANGA recommends breaking the plot down into tankōbon sections of 150–350 words each "with longer lengths reserved for a series or volume with more complex plots". This has already been accomplished with a direct link to the list of Attack on Titan Chapters, so the reader has adequate opportunity to explore additional details there.
The summary is currently at 1400+ words, with a climax still on the way. Bleach is approximately 950 words, and One Piece forgoes a single plot summary entirely. What target length should we shoot for? --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Since Eren is a central character, how about borrowing his appearances section and further important details? Tintor2 (talk) 18:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I think that would be too limiting, given the shifting ensemble focus of the narrative. Trimming details down to broad story points would be a better option to cover the scope of the series.--GimmeChoco44 (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

It's time to revisit this problem of plot bloat. Using the references above to One Piece and Bleach, a recommended first step would be to bring this down to under 1000 words. I think extending past the normal word limit of 350 (see MOS:MANGA) is warranted, given the complexity of the plot, but trimming is definitely necessary.GimmeChoco44 (talk) 12:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

External links

Can this link for Attack on Titan from the Science Fiction Encyclopedia be added to the "External links" section, it is a serious reference work that covers media and topics related to sf. Asking here because of the comment in the section. Gotitbro (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Since I see no opposition from anyone here, I'll be adding the link to the section. Gotitbro (talk) 12:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Gabi page?

There’s a ton of debate and discussion about the character Gabi since the anime became to adapt the final parts of the manga. Should we make a page about her? 2603:7000:1F00:6B91:8DD3:376D:47D:6390 (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

If she passes wp:notability I do not see why not. However, that actually requires making a search of all reliable sources and if possible, her creation. Honestly, I think Levi has more potential for notability based on his statue and spinoff manga. Still, I am taking a break from creating articles due to issues I recently had. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 16:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

Some minor wording/detail changes. Some sentences were phrased oddly or were confusing without further context. Change the last two paragraphs of Plot in Synopsis to:

Eventually, Eren and those in the military alongside him discover they are not the only humans left alive. They are part of a race, called Eldians, exiled to the walls for past crimes against another race, the Marleyans. What they previously believed to be the entire world is merely a small, isolated island named Paradis. Led by Eren Yeager and his commanding officers, the Eldians begin to wage war against the global fleet assembled by the Marleyans to destroy Paradis. Eren unleashes the millions of colossal Titans inside the walls, nicknamed the Rumbling, in an attempt to destroy the world and create eternal peace for the Eldians on Paradis.

With the help of the Marleyan Titan shifters, the Survey Corps stop the Rumbling. Mikasa kills Eren, ending the Power of the Titans permanently. Three years later, the world prepares for war between the island's inhabitants and the remaining countries, but Armin has hope that peace negotiations led by Historia will be successful. KinoranaUPSB (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Question: @KinoranaUPSB:, could you please provide a reason for the change you are requesting? — LeoFrank  Talk 03:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Worth mentioning reception of the ending?

the ending appears to have really soured some opinions on it in some circles. Is that worth mentioning

If it has been discussed and referred by secondary reliable sources, it should be added. If is just based on discussions on random forums by anybody, it doesn't worth mentioning. - Xexerss (talk) 07:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I've added the reception of the last chapter in the Shingeki article on the Moroccan Wikipedia, with this link (and there are more reviews, I'm just too busy now to elaborate more on that section). I also added that Isayama declared that tankoubon 34 will have extra pages (link here).
- Ideophagous (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC+2)

I can't see a reason why that's a reliable source. It's never used in Wikipedia and seems kinda written in an informal way. Why are fans mad? How is it rushed?Tintor2 (talk) 14:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

As stated above, reliable sources are essential. Also consider balancing the reception notes with both positive and negative.--GimmeChoco44 (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree, there could definitely be merit in saying there was mixed reception, but I too think it's unfair to use those sources as the validity can't be confirmed. I don't think the ending was unanimously received as is implied in the article. NeonGenesisEvan (talk) 00:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Americans horribly misinterpreting the symbolism

There is a recent assertion by Attack on Titan's American audience that the Eldians, an implicitly germanic people, who declared themselves the master race, established a colonial empire, practiced eugenics and ethnic cleansing, were defeated in a war 80 years ago alongside not-japan, then taken over by an oppressed former underclass(that's coincidentally darker), and then put in internment zones... represent jews? This claim comes from the armbands, which are color coded and worn like the armbands worn by the nazis, not like the sewn stars and occasional armbands worn by jews. Commander Erwin also has the same birthday as Erwin Rommel's death, Pyxis is based on an imperial japanese general, and Mikasa on an imperial japanese battleship. The size and geography difference between paradis and marley, though shaped like an inverted african map, match the size differences between Japan and China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by W rr d r (talk • contribs) 06:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021

I would like to change "with the remainder announced to air in early 2022" to "with the remainder announced to air in Winter 2022." Sox1box (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: This request appears to violate MOS:SEASON, however thanks for being bold. GameTriangle (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

I would like to change and add some things on the genre since its missing some. Achlys 06 (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Link20XX (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Japanese translation of the title vs localisation

The name "Attack Titan" is not a translation of 進撃の巨人. It is an unrelated, made by the localisers attempt to achieve what the original title was doing, which was being a surprise late in the story twist that a character's giant form was the title. Thus, the title translation should reflect a translation of 進撃の巨人, not the localisation. I am unable to maintain the title because recent trashing of the page has locked it from me, but the title should be kept at (The) Advancing/Charging Giant, for that is an attempt to match the title, which is the whole point of the title translation. Attack Titan is wrong, the localisation doesn't matter here and people should stop undoing changes. --Pabslabin (talk) 13:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Please see the previous discussion of the title in the section below. Also, please review Wikipedia's rules on independent research. WP:NOR If you have citations for your proposed title change, please present them here. - GimmeChoco44 (talk) 12:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
It's a translation. I know enough Japanese to translate it. How am I, or could anyone, source a translation that has no official translation (only an alt language title which has an unrelated meaning), and little discussion because the meaning is obvious? With this logic, all translations should be pulled of wikipedia because they are nigh always unsourceable. Any citation would be a glorified forum post, which would be just as legitimate as me explaining the meaning here. 進撃の巨人, 進撃 means an advance or charge. It can be made into a verb but standalone just means a noun. の assigns ownership from the word to the right to the left, but can also add qualities or group membership. 巨人 means giant. Thus the title means "Giant of Advance/Charge-ness" or in a more proper title, The Advancing or Charging Giant (because it's not possible to write it any other way without looking weird in English or me playing more with the translation which would miss the point). Attack titan is simply wrong, because 進撃 just doesn't mean attack, and because 巨人 has no connection to the word titan, is not what mythological Greek titans are called in Japanese, and because they are only ever called kyojin in the original work. Attack Titan is fine for a localisation of a title drop after an unfortunate alt language titling decision. But it's not a translation. --Pabslabin (talk) 08:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Also, look at your own link. It specifically says translation is not counted as original research for precisely this reason.--Pabslabin (talk) 08:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree. It's absurd to claim that "The Attack Titan" is a "literal" translation. The Japanese Wikipedia version of this page even notes how strange it is to translate 巨人 as "titan" rather than "giant": なお、英訳には「ジャイアント」 (Giant) ではなく「タイタン」 (Titan) が使われている --Ash-Gaar (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I'll also mention, the title "進撃の巨人" is a title drop towards Eren's titan form. It should use a singular, not a plural.--Pabslabin (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The original Japanese version of the manga has Attack on Titan below the original Japanese title you can’t get more official than that and I am pretty sure Kodansha consulted before going with Attack Titan.Kevin Talk 03:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

It is not rare, especially nowadays, for Japanese media to immediately create an English title, often with an incorrect translation. For example, Weathering With You versus 天気の子 ie. The Weather Girl/Child. In this case, the title simply does not match the meaning at any point in the manga. To go into spoiler territory, the reason Eren's giant form is called the 進撃の巨人 ie. The Giant of Advancing, is because his Giant for some reason is destined to 'lead/advance humanity forward'. This meaning doesn't make any sense to call it "Attack". Furthermore, there is no reason to at any point as to why they are called Titan's in the English, and at no point does the manga ever refer to them as タイタン. They are always called 巨人, and thus that was always the intended name. The English title probably was not created by the original writer, or it simply was not thought about very hard. Thus from a translation of the Japanese title perspective, we should ignore the localisation, by Kodansha or not --Pabslabin (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I assume they consulted with Isayama on it at least. I can almost guarantee you Wikipedia isn’t gonna change it reguardless. Kevin Talk 16:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2021

The ending at the Plot of Attack on Titan is all wrong, pleasee for yourselves (Redacted) and please replace the last phrase "Many generations afterwards, Paradis is bombed from above by other states and destroyed. A boy who survived the war approaches a tree that has grown in the center of the rubble that resembles the original source of the Titans' power." WITH "Several years pass and peace talks have begun between those living in Marley and the island of Paradis, which has begun mobilizing an army for the time when Marley and the other countries seek their revenge. As Mikasa sits beneath the tree where Eren is buried, she thinks about him and notices a bird flying to her. The bird picks at her scarf and adjusts it before flying away." Please check the manga site for the original manga to read for yourselves, and even the Wikia https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Toward_the_Tree_on_That_Hill 188.24.219.130 (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Removing link to website illegally hosting copyrighted content per WP:ELNEVER and WP:COPYLINK. Link20XX (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Fandom Wikia is not a reliable source ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2021

Change "Three years later, Levi lives retired in Liberio with Gabi and Falco while the world prepares for war between the island's inhabitants and the remaining countries" to "Three years later, Levi lives retired in another country with Gabi and Falco while the island's inhabitants builds their military in preparation from potential future retaliation from the world"

Change "Many generations afterwards, Paradis is bombed from above by other states and destroyed." to "Many generations afterwards, Shiganshina District is bombed from above by a unknown nation and is destroyed."

Reasoning: In chapter 130 Hange states that Liberio and Marley got completely destroyed in the rumbling, in chapter 131 its shows liberio being destroyed making it impossible for Levi, Falco and Gabi to live in Liberio in chapter 139 as it does not exist anymore. In addition to that it is believed from what Eren says on page 3 in chapter 139 that the world will not retaliate immediately, meaning that at some point the world will retaliate, however, from the dialogue referenced from chapter 139, page 43 it isn't exactly known whether Eren was right, on top of that it isn't exactly known for what reasons the world might retaliate for whether it be because of the rumbling or whether it be for an entirely different reason. This ties into the last couple of pages in chapter 139 where it shows the city located where Shiganshina District is, being bombed by an unknown enemy or unknown nation, it isn't explicitly stated whether it's the world retaliation or just one nation and whether the entire nation of Paradis got bombed but we do know specifically that the city where Shiganshina District is located got bombed and destroyed, this technically makes the statement "Many generations afterwards, Paradis is bombed from above by other states and destroyed" built on assumptions as technically we did not see Paradis be entirely destroyed and it isn't stated by any character or anyone nor is there any elaboration from the pages about the event. The only thing the viewer sees that may support the theory that Paradis is entirely destroyed is by the fact that the rubble from Shiganshina District is overgrown with plant life and more trees have grown around the tree that has the titan power. Due to the controversial nature of Attack on Titans ending I would highly recommend making sure that what is stated on the wiki page is factual rather than an interpretation, It's better to lay the facts out for the reader to make their own interpretation of the ending rather than stating a story element that may not be true.

All Sources are from the official translation and are from the physical copies of Attack on Titan manga. Specifically volume 32, 33 and 34 (ISBN): 9781646510313, 9781646510269, 9781646512362 Sources: In Attack on Titan Volume 32 Chapter 130: The Dawn of Humanity, Page 1; Hange states that "There was no way to save your homeland, Liberio". On page 3, Hange further elaborates by saying "Even if the rumbling stopped at this very moment we wouldn't be able to stop Liberio and Marley from being annihilated. Even Magath understood that." In Attack on Titan Volume 33 Chapter 131: Rumbling; It shows Liberio getting destroyed in the rumbling with Eldians trying to escape the internment zone. In Attack on Titan Volume 33 Chapter 134: In the Depths of Despair, Page 2; It shows a city with similar architecture to the city that Levi, Gabi and Falco are at in Chapter 139: Towards the Tree on that Hill, on page 46. In Attack on Titan Volume 34 Chapter 139: Towards the Tree on that Hill, page 3, Armin says "We're supposed to protect Paradis from reprisal from humanity outside the walls?", Eren replies with "They won't be able to retaliate immediately. The rumbling will kill eighty percent of humanity. They won't be able to wage war". In addition to that on page 41 it states "The nation of eldia has formed a so-called army controlled by the Yeagerist and now focus their efforts on building their military". On top of that on page 43 it states "This fight will not end until either Eldia or the world disappears. That is what Eren said, and he may be right. Even so, he chose to leave this world in our hands". The last few pages of 139 shows Shiganshina District being bombed and destroyed and then it shows a boy emerging from the rubble walking towards the tree that has the titan power. BigJMC9 (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2021

I would like to remove the sentence that reads, "Similarities have also been identified between the character Erwin Smith and Nazi Germany General Erwin Rommel.[142]". The source doesn't provide any similarities and itself cites a single Tumblr blog, which is a dead link. Accessing the link via the Wayback Machine (e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20201002092701/https://euphorbic.tumblr.com/post/83758049642/erwin-smith-erwin-rommel-similarities) yields evidence that seems to me fairly weak and circumstantial. In any case, I believe a single anonymous deleted Tumblr post doesn't merit mention in the article.

Removed.Tintor2 (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Reception section

There is a portion of the section that emphasis the claim that the eldians/erudians represent Jewish people in Nazi Germany. The similarities between eldians and Jewish people start and end at the armbands, which are color coded and worn differently from those worn by Jews. The eldians declared themselves the master race, conquered and ruled much of the world for 2000 years, practiced eugenics, and were ultimately defeated by an oppressed underclass that built alliances within the eldian royalty, and now use their former oppressors as cannon fodder while keeping them in internment zones. Neither the situation of the Eldians, nor the propaganda Marley puts out against them, mirrors that of Jewish people. I feel like this needlessly charges discussions on the series and it’s themes, and is ultimately based on nothing. 76.181.140.6 (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2022 (2)

"Eren realizes that that he has to give himself pain if he is to use his Titan form properly."

Duplicate "that" 70.125.184.4 (talk) 22:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2022

In the plot summary, it states that Zeke's plan was to "euthanize the Subjects of Ymir". This is not accurate to the details of the story, as Zeke's actual plan was to "stop the Subjects of Ymir from reproducing". His plan did not involve euthanizing current Subjects of Ymir, just stop future generations from existing. I believe changing the wording there more accurately describes the content of the story. Rynoxeros (talk) 09:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Found paragraph that needs splitting

Specifically the final paragraph from this section. Could anyone please tell me where to split it?--Thylacine24 (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, the plot section could use some trimming considering its size.Tintor2 (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Attack on Titan

It is the most watched anime in 2021.it was first shown in 2013. 107.77.245.1 (talk) 04:31, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022

i wanna edit this page so that the user can know more about page and the sory of this series or manga 105.112.113.81 (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

VME, ODM, or 3DM?

I am confused about which term is the right one to describe the weaponry Dangervest69 (talk) 12:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2022

where is Tomino statement on attack on titan? https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-12-03/gundam-creator-tomino-praises-and-criticizes-attack-on-titan-manga Yepman98 (talk) 18:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
add it to reviews Yepman98 (talk) 09:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Plot summary length

Which standard should we apply to this summary? It's definitely too long.

Ref: MOS:PLOTLENGTH

Ref: Wikipedia:PLOTSUMNOT

I think we should trim this down to 700 words if possible. -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 13:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

the attack on titans isnt set a hundred years ago

the attack on titans is set on 850, not a hundred years ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.75.54 (talk) 23:51, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

regarding eren and mikasas relationship

hello, i know this page is based on english guidebook but english guidebook is mistranslated,in original guidebook author never implied that they are adoptive siblings,if you want proof i will provide it,plz remove it and change it into childhood friend because its misleading in original guidebook they were referred as friends



Sagarahir98 (talk) 05:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2023

i request you to edit this artcile, mikasa isn't erens adopted sister, i know your source is official english guidebook from kodansha but its mistranslation, in original guidebook author never refer them as siblings, he refer them as childhood friends multiple times so plz change it to childhood friendSagarahir98 (talk) 11:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
幼馴染のミカサ (Osananajimi no mikasa) (Childhood friend mikasa) At 1:08 in first trailer of aot on anime ponycanyon,i can't put the link or pic here,but in in erens guide mikasa is also included udner tag friends,adopted sister was mistranslation, the word used in original guidebook was 養女 which means foster daughter not adopted sister, take a look at original guidebook and short stories by isayama,in 2 of short story author himself refer them as childhood friends
@ Sagarahir98 (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
short story from author himself Sagarahir98 (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
hello Sagarahir98 (talk) 01:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
can we have conversation on discord? Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
hello! Sagarahir98 (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
hello i can't put the link here how am i supposed to prove my point Sagarahir98 (talk) 11:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
omniman hashtag1078 my discord if you wanna talk Sagarahir98 (talk) 11:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3mniZNjeqU
幼馴染のミカサ (Osananajimi no mikasa) (Childhood friend mikasa) At 1:08 Sagarahir98 (talk) 11:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0oW4hBUoDDSCRV7yeCS1wdHcwFM61VQ3A7Mz2xtNdjuh1haixCjz7wcDhtPHvb2CWl&id=100090977150185&sfnsn=wiwspmo&mibextid=SDPelY Sagarahir98 (talk) 11:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
so i accidently put the link here,sorry i am new to this Sagarahir98 (talk) 11:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
hope this post will help you Sagarahir98 (talk) 12:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

regarding mistranslation

hello i have said it once and gonna say it again mikasa and eren are not adoptive siblings,it was mistranslation on guidebook and in same guidebook she was included under tag friends and author refer them as childhood friends in short stories My answer to Aren't Mikasa and Eren brothers in “Attack on Titan” brothers and sisters? https://www.quora.com/Arent-Mikasa-and-Eren-brothers-in-Attack-on-Titan-brothers-and-sisters/answer/Zeus-Therapist?ch=15&oid=1477743647860043&share=c6816180&srid=hQsouU&target_type=answer Sagarahir98 (talk) 01:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

regarding mistranslation

eren and mikasa are not adoptive siblings,eng guidebook is mistranslated,in original guidebook it was never implied that they were siblings,on the opposite author refer them as childhood friends multiple time, here is the link which elaborate further my pointhttp://surl.li/frhbm Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

regarding mistranslation

eren and mikasa are not siblings it was mistranslation in eng guidebook,here is the link of post which elaborate further

My answer to Aren't Mikasa and Eren brothers in “Attack on Titan” brothers and sisters? https://www.quora.com/Arent-Mikasa-and-Eren-brothers-in-Attack-on-Titan-brothers-and-sisters/answer/Zeus-Therapist?ch=15&oid=1477743647860043&share=c6816180&srid=hQsouU&target_type=answer Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton Sagarahir98 (talk) 04:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton Sagarahir98 (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton
eren and mikasa are not siblings it was mistranslation in eng guidebook,here is the link of post which elaborate further
https://www.quora.com/Arent-Mikasa-and-Eren-brothers-in-Attack-on-Titan-brothers-and-sisters/answer/Zeus-Therapist?ch=15&oid=1477743647860043&share=c6816180&srid=hQsouU&target_type=answer Sagarahir98 (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2023

eren and mikasa are not adoptive siblings, it was mistranslation in eng guidebook,please change it to childhood friends https://www.quora.com/Arent-Mikasa-and-Eren-brothers-in-Attack-on-Titan-brothers-and-sisters/answer/Zeus-Therapist?ch=15&oid=1477743647860043&share=c6816180&srid=hQsouU&target_type=answer Sagarahir98 (talk) 06:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023

mikasa is not erens adopted sister, its mistranslation in english guidebook, it is misleading and contradicts original work,in original work it was never implied that they are adoptive siblings, plz change "adopted sister" to "childhood friend" https://kc.kodansha.co.jp/product?item=0000015412 this is official site of kodansha japan, tap on "試し読みする" or "try reading" to see original guidebook plz Sagarahir98 (talk) 03:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source you have provided would be a primary source, which is not considered reliable. However, it is just a link to a shop. You have requested this multiple times; it will not get done unless it meets the relevant policies and guidelines. Please stop opening additional requests unless you have new arguments. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

regarding Eren's motives

I request that the end of the plot section be revised to exclude the sentence "revealing that what transpired was part of Eren's plan to spare twenty percent of humanity, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling" There is much disagreement over what Eren's true motives are and misleading information like this does not help. I am not asking for it to be changed to reflect my interpretation. I simply wish for it not to put forth any interpretation of his motives as to not mislead readers.

Also, I believe the final sentence of the plot summary should say "a power similar to the Titans," not just "Titans." AOTEditor (talk) 18:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023

remove the line " revealing that what transpired was part of Eren's plan to spare twenty percent of humanity, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling" It is inaccurate to Eren's actual motives as shown in chapter 131 where he says he wished for the world to be wiped away, and in chapter 139 where he says he really did want to complete the rumbling. AOTEditor (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callmemirela 🍁 03:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
okay. In Attack on Titan vol. 33, chapter 131, Eren says to Ramzi, "You see... it's to save the island... to save Eldia. But... it's more than that... The reality of life beyond the walls... was nothing like the world I'd dreamed about... It was nothing like the world I'd seen... in Armin's book... When I learned that humanity had survived beyond the walls... I was so... so disappointed. So... I made a wish. I wished for it all to be wiped away..."
Then in Attack on Titan vol. 34, chapter 139, Eren says to Armin, "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me in the end... I think I still would have flattened this world. Level almost every forest... and leave the land covered in carrion-fattened insects a few days later. I wanted... to leave every surface a blank plain..."
(note: the elipses are not me skipping any dialogue, I am simply copying how the manga is written)
both of these quotes point to a far less noble goal than what is implied in this article. AOTEditor (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
When we say "please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made", we are not asking you to quote from the manga series. We are asking you to identify one or more reliable, published sources (other than the manga series) that confirm your assertion, observation or interpretation. General Ization Talk 23:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
but the part I'm asking to be removed is unsourced as well. If Eren's motives are a point of contention, then they should not be included in the plot summary as an objective fact.
I request
"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that what transpired was part of Eren's plan to spare twenty percent of humanity, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia."
be changed to
"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers appears, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia."
I also added "appears" before the first comma since the original text makes it seem as Levi killed the source of all living matter, which he did not. AOTEditor (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.
I note that per MOS:PLOTSOURCE, @AOTEditor is correct that the manga itself is a reliable source for the plot summary section of the article. However, I don't know enough about the manga to determine if this reading is correct, so I think there needs to be some consensus before making this edit. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
sure. All I’m asking for is for the part of the summary regarding Eren’s motives be removed, since I believe the manga has more evidence of Eren’s motives being selfish. I am not asking for my interpretation to replace the one present, I simply wish for the one present to be removed because I don’t believe it is objective. I also don’t believe Eren’s motives are necessary for what should just be a brief summary of the plot.
Is this reasonable? I invite any counter arguments to come forward so we may reach consensus. AOTEditor (talk) 21:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@AOTEditor You should start a new thread and inform relevant Wikiprojects (see the top of this talk pages) on their talk pages with a link to the topic on this page. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
There is a lot of interpretation to be had and its going to be opinionated of course. Regardless of what Eren wanted, he knew what was going to happen. See the part of quoted text "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me..." He knew he would be stopped, and regardless of him wanting this or that, he kept going along the path that ended up with some people being spared. Maybe the text could be reworded, because while yes its true it wasn't his desire for 20% of world to be spared, he intended for that to happen. WikiVirusC(talk) 23:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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