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Another question

Hi again! Another question about speedies. When tagging pages like Six String Crossing, - or here just in case the former has been deleted already when you read this- how do I give it a multiple db notice? (G12, with webpage link in this case) I've been using twinkle all these years, which only allows 1 tag, and the manual on multiple speedy tags[1] wasn't very useful. Thank you again! (feel free to edit my sandbox to demonstrate practically if you like). Dengero (talk) 14:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

When you select CSD from Twinkle, the pop-up window with the various deletion criteria has a tick box at the top - "Tag with multiple criteria". Tick that, and then select however many tags apply. If you choose G12, then you'll be prompted for a URL after you finish tagging. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
(Needless to say, I also deleted the page...) Yunshui 雲‍水 14:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
And your sandbox - still a copyvio, even if it's not in article space. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh wow. The unlimited amount of awkwardness here. Thank you so much! *trys to avert judging eyes*. And yeah tyty, it was the sandbox anyway. Dengero (talk) 14:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
No judgemental eyes here; it took me a while to figure out when I first started using Twinkle. Useful to have it flagged up; I'll add a note about multiples to my Twinkle cheatsheet. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

MY article :P

Ok, so, after a brief skimming of the "requested articles" list, I've already found something I'm rather familiar with. My specialty (if I have one) is underground music, and I've chosen Pascal F.E.O.S. as my candidate, as I am a fan of his music. I am in the process of laying out a draft on my sandbox page, but there are a few things I need (I think?). I'd request an IPA rendition of the name "Pascal Dardoufas" (which, based on interviews I've heard, is pronounced "dahr-dooo-fass"), since I cannot - for the life of me - decipher the phonetic alphabet and its myriad new characters. There's also that problem that's kind of inherent to musicians/bands/artists - particularly those of the underground persuasion... notability. I seriously doubt that Pascal F.E.O.S. has been mentioned in any mainstream news publications, because he's not exactly controversial or anything - he's just a DJ, really :P. His official site (http://www.pascalfeos.com/eng/index.php) is a primary source I assume, and can only be used for uncontentious biographical minutiae... the only other English source that offers anything extended is http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/pascalfeos - do you feel that this qualifies as a reliable source? From a cursory examination it appears to be some kind of electronica producer/DJ directory... but I can't tell. There's also a page on Pascal at the German Wikipedia (he's German himself) - so I'd be keen to get some translations of the sources they're using, purely with regards to what I can and cannot claim using a particular source - if any (from what I've heard they're rather lax with the sources over in Deutschland... but that's just what I've *heard*, haha). I hope this isn't too tall an order, but I am a fan of the man's music, and whilst he's not especially well-known in English-speaking countries, he has recorded for several "cult" labels that have garnered quite a reputation over the years, and many of his collaborators have articles too. Let me know what you think. I'll show you the draft when I'm done with it... might work on it overnight. Peace :). Psychonavigation (talk) 06:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Psychonavigation. I'd be happy to look over your article before it goes live; let me know when it's ready for review. Based on your note above I think the IPA pronouciation would be dɑːɹ'dœːfas, but since I've never heard the name spoken I'm guessing a bit. If you stick it into the article and someone disagrees, they can always change it.
Source-wise, you're correct regarding the official site - uncontentious biographical details only. Resident Advisor is a reliable source in my book, although ideally an article would be preferred, rather than just a profile listing. Your best bet, by the looks of things, would be foreign language sources - there are plenty of articles listed in the Google News Archive, but the majority seem to be in other languages - I count Romanian, Turkish, Spanish, German and a few others (Polish, possibly?). These are perfectly acceptable as sources, although English sources are preferred (WP:NOENG). In the past, when I've used foreign language articles as sources, I've done so by punching the text into Google translate and extracting whatever information I can be relatively certain of from the resulting machine translation; it's a rather tedious process but it's possible to build most of an article in this way. There also looks to be some usable stuff in Google Books, check out the entries in the All Music Guide to Electronica and Techno: The Rough Guide especially.
You can also take (sourced) information from the German Wikipedia, but if you use a translation of their text be sure to include a {{Translated page}} template on the article's talkpage (otherwise you're violating their copyright). That said, I personally always prefer to create my own article from scratch, even if another Wiki (usually the Japanese one, in my case) has got there first.
Best of luck, and as I said above, feel free to ping me for a review when you're ready, or ask for any specific help that you need during the creation process. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers :). I'll get started today and hopefully have something knocked up by the end of the week (I'm rather busy at the moment). By the way, on a nongermane note, what does the kanji in your user name mean? Thanks again. Peace :) Psychonavigation (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

No rush; as ever, let me know if I can help. In Mandarin, 雲=yun (cloud) 水=shui (water) - taken together, the term is a poetic reference to a wandering Taoist hermit. In Japanese, 雲=un (cloud) 水=sui (water), and "unsui" is usually used to describe a student of Zen or martial arts. So I'm either a Taoist hermit or a Zen student, depending on which language you read. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! I'm fascinated by Buddhism and Zen in general - are you informed in this area at all? If so, could you recommend any place to kinda, "start", with regards to learning about it and all that (even on Wikipedia, but preferably/maybe elsewhere too?). Now, to cut to the chase: with a view to completing my draft of Pascal F.E.O.S., I have made some extensive edits to the article FAX +49-69/450464, a German ambient/electronic/[insert-meaningless-genre-descriptor]] (and will soon do likewise to the page of its founder, Pete Namlook - the correlation with monsieur Pascal is his numerous releases on the label). Could you take a look? [2] is the pertinent diff prior to my overhaul. I'm not sure there's enough variety of sources (I removed a "citations needed" tag that was dated to 2010, IIRC), but it is a rather brief article and it is a niche topic. I doubt there will ever really be enough information out there to manufacture a full-length article from, contents and all, but is this now more than a stub? Or would that require sections? I *could* do that but each would be no more than four lines or so, which kind of defeats the purpose ... while the label's discography is far too vast to include, and a "selected discography" would be inherently POV, would it not? Anyway, I'd appreciate your feedback on this. Peace :D Psychonavigation (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

First off, heartfelt apologies for the delayed reply; it's been a long week...
Nice work expanding FAX +49-69/450464. If I have one criticism, it's the heavy use of Discogs as a reference - Discogs is largely user-generated, and therefore isn't a very good source (although I know it's used a lot). I've reformatted the references to make them a bit more accessible. I'd say it's definitely Start-class now, rather than stub, but that decision is really down to the members of the relevant WikiProjects - you can request a reassessment here. As for discographies, you could create one that listed only their notable releases, i.e. those that have their own Wikipedia articles already - that would comply with WP:Source list.
And if you want to bone up on Zen... well, D. T. Suzuki is quite a good place to start, and Thomas Cleary's translations are worth a read, especially his five-volume Classics of Buddhism and Zen. Frankly, there's tons of information out there, some of it worthwhile, some of it bobbins. Discerning between the two is an exercise in Zen in itself... Yunshui 雲‍水 10:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I've just discovered that we actually even have a specific template set, {{discogs}}, for citing Discogs - so its use is pretty common. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article you deleted because of G12

Hello Yunshui,

I would like to resubmit a page that you deleted on 11/1/12 because of G12 copyright infringment. The page is Articles for creation/Gary McSpadden. I placed a CC-BY-SA license underneath the article about Gary McSpadden on his website at http://www.faithworksnow.com/about.html. I'm hopeful this is all I need to resubmit the article.

Do I just create a new article or do you undelete it somehow?

Thanks!

Ccvid (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The CC-BY-SA licence does allow Wikipedia (and annyone else) to reuse the text, so thank you for that. However, the licencing is only part of the problem - the text on Mr McSpadden's web bio is non-neutral, promotional soapboxing, and as such is inappropriate for inclusion here. Whilst Mr McSpadden may have received sufficient independent coverage to meet the inclusion criteria, any article written about him would need to be written from scratch in a neutral and encyclopedic voice. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the help. I recreated it with more barebone facts. I can pull more information, but this is a start. Can you see what you think? It's in my sandbox at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ccvid/sandbox Ccvid (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) at first glance, it still appears pretty obviously that you have not met WP:N as explained by WP:42. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Pretty close, though. The Texas Gospel Music Hall of Fame entry looks, at a cursory glance, to meet the sourcing requirements; I'm less sure about the Southern Gospel History site (it looks as though they solicit information from users, which would cause it to fall foul of the reliable sources guideline). A hunt through Google Books gave me this and this, and it looks as though he gets a mention in the Encyclopedia of American Gospel Music (although page 201, which appears to be his entry, is unavailable in Google Preview). Plus there are chunks of usable biography here and here (first person, so don't count towards notability). Google News search results has mostly concert listings, but there are a couple of usable sources there (the Lakeland Ledger one is worth including). There's definitely enough out there to put together a well-sourced, neutral article that meets the notability requirements. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Please understand me sir

Hello sir, I'm not against IndianBio but I'm against that phrase which says that "seeing other artists her team decided to plan emotional campaigns." it doesn't make sense that why a label will see other artists as they had always promote with same strategy.Also, if you see other song article which directly say that .The particular artist performed at particular venue.They don't say that their team decided to organize a performance after seeing other artist.This is quite wrong.Also,video count is not commerce,he added views count in commercial performance.I gave explanations with every edit.Aldo,his promotion section says that Mr. Someone feels that her label team wants the artist to make her songwriter.???? Does this is called promotion.History of teams thought,that he thought this,he planned this is not promotion.you should look at this and decide what's wrong and right.(Pks1142 (talk) 12:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)) Respect

Pks1142, I apologise, but I've read and re-read your comment above and I really have no idea what you are trying to say. I don't personally have much interest in popular music, and I have no stake in what text is or is not included in the In My City article; what I do care about is that fact that you are removing sourced text without a coherent explanation, and have repeatedly filed inappropriate reports and incorrect vandalism warnings regarding another user. Your behaviour, not the content of the article, is becoming the problem here.
I would strongly recommend that you do one or more of the following:
  • Avoid editing the article In My City any further. Instead, confine yourself to discussing and suggesting content on the talkpage there. Read some of the policies that are being linked to - you clearly don't have a good understanding yet of how Wikipedia works.
  • Look at the list of adopters/mentors available and consider asking one of them to help you with your editing. This has been suggested at ANI, and is probably a very sensible idea. For the record, although I'm on that list, I'm pretty much up to my limit with adoptees - if you were thinking of asking me, probably don't.
  • Edit something else. The world isn't going to end because some information that you disagree with has remained in the article.
  • Engage in dispute resolution. Since it's primarily just the two of you involved in this edit war, you could probably use some help from a neutral party.
Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

My request for rollback

I just want to point out that in all those edits you linked to, I was reverting an IP-hopping edit warrior. See this ANI thread and this one too. Hot Stop (Edits) 13:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Point taken. Using the Twinkle rollback feature with an edit summary might have been more appropriate, but still. I'll re-review and get back to you shortly. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:44, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. (and I forgot the original thread on ANI) Hot Stop (Edits) 13:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
My apologies, you do clearly know your stuff. Rollback duly granted. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Excellent. Thank you. Hot Stop (Edits) 22:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 November 2012

Dr. Huesan Tran

FYI: I edit-conflicted with your block this morning, feeling slightly sympathetic with an obviously confused newbie, and writing an explanation of copyright and why WP was not for that sort of stuff anyway. However my sympathy wanes when up pops Arjay superman (talk · contribs) and posts that promotional fluff again. (I like the sound of the New Financial Paradise™, though!) This account is actually two days old, not created in response to your block, but I have blocked it anyway - clearly a meatpuppet if not actually the same person. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I was most impressed with the time you took explaining the issues - it was very thoughtful of you. Hopefully the message has gotten through. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello

I really don't wanna disturb you but if this is not personal attack i don't know what is. And what do I do in cases like these? What do you suggest? —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 17:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You did one of the two right things, either bringing it to an administrator's attention, or taking it to the Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents with diffs. If Yunshui cannot take care of it (which I am sure he can), then that would be the next logical place to go. (Non-administrator comment), this looks pretty much like a blatant personal attack to me.. "mental" etc. gwickwire | Leave a message 22:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Yunshui I would really like to have your input on the still ongoing removals by User:Pks1142 from the article "In My City", without discussions even when asked to do so many times. This seriously looks like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT pushing agenda in an article, where in any negative content pertaining to Chopra is being removed. Or any scope of expansion. This is seriously getting WP:OWN like. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 08:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi, just to let you know, I left some suggestions at Pks1142's talk page explaining why the RFC is in place, why such deleting without consensus is inappropriate and in order to help him/her better himself, I adviced to get enrolled in WP:ADOPT. Hope I did fine. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 10:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Apologies for the delayed response, I've been ill for the last week or so. Dennis Brown's protection of the article should hopefully allow some scope for discussion by other editors, as will the RfC. The failure to assume good faith - on both Pks1142's part and your own - has led to a point where I can't see either of you interacting well with the other; I would suggest you both leave the article as is for now and let other editors who haven't been involved with this conflict sort it out. It's not the end of the world if you have to leave In My City and edit something else for a bit. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
By the way, you keep referring to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is actually an argument to be avoided in AFD discussions, not content disputes - I think you mean WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, a slightly different essay. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Clapps Herman

Hi Yunshi. I see you declined my CSD G4. However, this article has a history. It was already deleted per a AfD. None of the many refs at that time added up to notability, and the new refs are like the others: scraping the barrel for every web site that simply mentions her name, and then some that are fake links. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll take another look at it. I hadn't noticed that it was you who placed the tag - out of pure personal curiousity, what prevented you from just going straight ahead and deleting it yourself? Yunshui 雲‍水 07:48, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you're right; the sources have been rejigged and renamed, but there's nothing new here; certainly nothing that negates the arguments put forward at AFD. I have deleted it accordingly. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I know it's CSD but I can't figure which criteria

Hi Yun.

I picked up an article recently Sonic X Universe ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sonic_X_Universe ) that is hitting several CSD qualifying rules, however when I checked Twinkle it seemed to be missing the deletion for 'TV Series' on A7 (unless i've missed something), I know it's CSD because it's got no sources. Can you please shed some light on which CSD Criteria it hits? Thank you. MIVP - (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) Allow us to be of assistance to you 01:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

That's not quite how CSD works - absence of sources isn't a CSD issue. In order to be eligible for speedy deletion (as opposed to just being elegible for deletion generally), an article has to meet the very specific requirements at Criteria for speedy deletion. Criterion A7, for example, doesn't apply to TV series, which is why Twinkle doesn't have that option.
As it stands, the article has now been converted to a redirect to List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters, which is pretty appropriate. In its previous incarnation, though, it would not have met any of the CSD requiremnts; even A10 (duplication of another article) wouldn't have been correct, since it only applies to recently created articles. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi

Hi Yunshui, how are you doing? Could you please provide me access to AutoWikiBrowser. I want to check some grammatical errors on India related articles. I have also requested for AWB on the permission page but the permission page has backlogs and I also waited for the reply there since 2 November. Torreslfchero (talk) 12:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

It does seem a bit backlogged; I'll take a look at some of the other requests there too. You, however, are now AWP authorised. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Torreslfchero (talk) 12:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Enjoy! Yunshui 雲‍水 12:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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AWB Approval

Hey Yunshui, it looks like you granted me permission to use AWB on the access request page, but it doesn't look like my name ended up on the approved username list. Regards, --Slazenger (Contact Me) 16:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

That  Done was actually for AussieLegend's alternate account - but I see no reason not to grant you the permission as well, so I have. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Yunshui! Happy editing. --Slazenger (Contact Me) 18:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

hi

hi my page has been deleted. please help me with it. i m really confused.


Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilesh sahay (talk • contribs) 09:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The page was deleted because you do not appear to meet basic inclusion requirements for a Wikipedia article. In addition, you have a severe conflict of interest in creating this page, and should not recreate it - we strongly discourage the writing of autobiographies. If you would like to make edits in other areas of Wikipedia you are most welcome, but if your only purpose here is to create an article about yourself, you should consider an alternative outlet instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Article

Respected Sir i wanted to know why was the page deleted and also what do i need to add in order to keep the same page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.125.13.47 (talk) 10:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this Nilesh Sahay again? If so, then the short answer is - please don't create an autobiography. If you meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, then someone will write an article about you sooner or later. You should not be the person to do so, since you have an insurmountable conflict of interest regarding the article. Consider making a request at WP:Requested articles instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nilesh sahay.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
For the sake of a quiet life (ha!) I've created a sourced and unbiased stub article at Nilesh Sahay - after doing some digging, I've concluded that there's enough out there to meet the basic notability requirement. I'll leave the SPI for another admin to resolve, but thanks for bringing it to my attention. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
And I'm working on the article, even as we speak.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Good stuff. Also, kudos for managing to work a Jacobean play into an edit summary... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Joanna Clapps Herman

I added many more sources, I was wondering why you deleted it? Srdemuro (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

See the thread higher on this page. There are no sources in the version I deleted that do not appear in the version deleted at AFD. You have moved them around and renamed them somewhat, which fooled me at first glance into removing the G4, but on closer investigation it seems there are no new sources there at all. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there any chance that when she has her new books out and there is more press on her, that there's a chance it can be republished? Thanks so much for explaining this to me. Srdemuro (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Possible, but please note that this should be a biography about the person and not an article about her books. To assert notability she would need some significant dedicated articles about her in the established press or TV documentaries. Generally there is no problem for winners of major literary prizes provided this can be linked to the list of winners on the prize giver's web site (eg. Pulitzer, Booker, etc). Citing websites that simply mention her name in some vague context or that list her books are not sufficient to assert notability, irrespective of how many of them there are. Jacket notes and routine book reviews also do not add to an author's notability. Hope this helps. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

URGENT REQUEST

Hi Yunshui,

You have deleted the English version of my Client: Dean Constantin, born Constantin Dean Gaigani is an actor, author, screenwriter and film director.

Please revert or restore asap.

Best regards, Monica — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaGloiredujour (talk • contribs) 16:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Good for him. When the notability requirements get replaced by the need for subjects to have more than one career, let me know. Until then, it isn't getting restored. You may also want to check out WP:COI... Yunshui 雲‍水 19:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Diamonds World Tour

Why did you delete the "Diamonds World Tour" page for no reason. You need to give it back. Dbunkley6 (talk) 14:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

You deleted the Diamonds World Tour from Rihanna? Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.97.246 (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The reasons are given very clearly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamonds World Tour, by various editors. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Can you re-publish the Diamonds World Tour page, if it's "sources" that's the problem, i can link sources from her official site, and Live Nation - the official touring site. What other type of source would you need? Also, why is it JUST her tour that's been deleted? I've never seen this happen with other artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.97.246 (talk • contribs)

As above, I deleted it per the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamonds World Tour. If you feel that I misinterpreted the arguments there, please file a request for deletion review, so that another administrator can take a look. As I read it, whilst the majority of !voters !voted to keep the article, none of them produced any policy-based argument to do so, instead relying on claims that it exists, it's useful and it's notable - none of which are valid arguments in a deletion discussion. The delete !votes pointed to a recognised Wikipedia policy and noted that none of the sources provide the coverage required by the appropriate subsection of the notability guidelines. As such, I recorded a verdict of Delete, and duly deleted the page. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Nelson Frazier

He has many common names, but his most common one is "Big Daddy V". I don't know if you are well-versed in pro wrestling know-how, but he has had two "main event" runs under "King Mabel" and "Big Daddy V". He used the former name for about a year and the latter one for over 5 years and is still using it to this day. Plus, WWE seems to prefer to remember him by his latter WWE run while only refering to his former stage names passing. It's pretty much a no-brainer to me that this is his Most Common Name, but I do understand why you'd be skeptical upon first glance. Still, per WP:NC, WP:STAGENAME & WP:BIRTHNAME, his birthname has no claim to the article title. Even though it's his "real name", it isn't the common one people know him by and therefore shouldn't be used in the article title. Feedback ☎ 16:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm in no way an expert on pro-wrestling, so I reckon your judgement's probably sounder than mine on this. However, I'm still a little wary of making a name change like this without any discussion - would you be averse to opening a thread on the article's talkpage to allow one or two other users to comment first? (If it's already been discussed somewhere and I missed it, just link me there) Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Please help

Thank you for your review and comments. I am trying very hard to produce an appropriate wikipedia entry. I am working today on restructuring the article, as well as eliminating any promotional tone (which I did not intend at all, I simply have a great deal of respect for his work).

I will fix the structure and tone and paste the new entry at the bottom of my message, but as far as sources, I am concerned. Most mathematicians, even important ones, have little written by third part sources about how great they are, as much of their work is quiet and invisible in many ways.

      • Their notability can be seen through the sheer size and diversity of their publications, collaborations, and conference activity. Boros is highly notable in his field, and is also very active. He is also the sole director of the RUTCOR research institute, which has worldwide importance in its field- I thought this alone would grant him notability. He is also the highest rank professor possible at Rutgers (Professor II), a level which even many important scholars never reach, and he is also affiliated with the Business School at Rutgers.

I have looked extensively at the Wikipedia pages of many of his colleagues and collaborators...a selection is below. I was surprised at how there were so few references on many of these pages were. I did try to base my approach and sources on these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_F%C3%BCredi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_B._Kantor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hammer


Here are some new possible sources I uncovered (The Mathematics Geneology sources is considered notable itself and appears on most of the other mathematician's pages):

      • arnetminer is also a notable sources that ranks mathematicians. The below links are out of date in the sense that Boros has since published far more article and book chapters, and so his rankings have increased quite a bit: His results have well over 3400 citations and his h-index is now 30.

http://arnetminer.org/person-ranklist/sociability/123 http://arnetminer.org/person-ranklist/hindex/49-250.html


and some extra ones (I could also provide links to hundreds of articles Boros has published):

http://books.google.com/books/about/Discrete_Optimization.html?id=tfmOQgAACAAJ https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:ic2C_9bTmfwJ:eot.neeshub.org/CMMI/file/download/254+endre+boros&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgSS59A5yj79Fey4p4BouSfHdhrh3S-Tg9bQDRkzGxpkcvs76AUpPQD_Czsjfo8_I3m-RIdf_e0Wlnc6ce2VXcTJamQL3DpDSRTd-CNVX_LprnmLJl7QNBYQG9yOKoPzr0-JbHn&sig=AHIEtbSoq_7MimBNWNHPH2pVNP4V504RSw http://dblp.kbs.uni-hannover.de/dblp/Search.action;jsessionid=030C490F36BBC219C9AAEF2B461D1908?search=&q=author%3AEndre+Boros http://philpapers.org/rec/FRATSP https://domino.mpi-inf.mpg.de/intranet/ag1/ag1publ.nsf/ListPublications?OpenAgent&author=Boros,+Endre


Thank you so much! here is the new entry with structure and promotional tone adjusted for (I took out so much!), to emulate those wikipedia pages I listed above:


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Endre Boros (born 21 September 1953) is a Hungarian-American mathematician, a Distinguished Professor at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, and Director of the Center for Operations Research (RUTCOR).

He is the author of 15 book chapters and edited volumes, and over 165 research papers published in refereed journals and reviewed conference proceedings. He is Associate Editor of the Annals of Mathematics and Artificial Intelligence, and Editor-in-Chief of both the Annals of Operations Research and Discrete Applied Mathematics.

His results have over 3400 citations and his h-index is 30.

Some results:

Notable contributions include settling (1986) an old conjecture by B. Segre about the cyclic structure of finite projective planes, and providing (1988) the best known bound for a question posed by P. Erdős about blocking sets of Galois planes; proving (1996) that perfect graphs are kernel solvable which answered a longstanding open question by C. Berge and P. Duchet (and which is independent of the perfect graph theorem); settling (2002) the complexity of generating all maximal frequent and minimal infrequent sets of large data sets answering questions by R.H. Sloan, K. Takata and G. Turán; settling (2006) the complexity of the longstanding open problem of generating all vertices of polyhedral.

His idea (1989) of using a network flow based approach for quadratic binary optimization, and its recent extension (2006-2008), created an efficient method which proved to be extremely useful in computer vision and in particular, in medical image enhancement.

In the area of the theory of Horn functions, he proved (1990) that all “prime implicates” of a Horn CNF can be generated efficiently, extended Horn logic to q-Horn and showed that this extension forms in some sense the boundary between tractable and intractable logic. He also introduced with his student, O. Cepek, a biology inspired theory of Horn logic, and used this to settle the complexity of numerous Horn logic simplification problems (1994-2012).


References: 

   http://rutcor.rutgers.edu/EBoros.htm
   http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb99-128591
   http://www.journals.elsevier.com/discrete-applied-mathematics/editorial-board/endre-boros/
   http://www.springer.com/business+%26+management/operations+research/journal/10479
   http://scholarwiki.indiana.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Endre_Boros
   http://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=96436
   http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/pers/hd/b/Boros:Endre.html
   http://arnetminer.org/person-ranklist/sociability/123
   http://arnetminer.org/person-ranklist/hindex/49-250.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pieditor (talk • contribs) 16:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually I think I made a bad call in refusing this AFC on notability grounds - Boros clearly passes the professor test, which exists for just such academics. There are some textual issues - it reads far too much like a CV excerpt or promotional webpage - but I believe those can be fixed up by other editors in mainspace; I'll move it there now and have a go myself. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Now live and fixed up a bit at Endre Boros. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

A few missing pages in User talk:Bmusician/

Thank you very much Yunshui for undeleting my pages! ;) I'm so glad that you became an administrator. Unfortunately, I found a few pages that were not undeleted, including User talk:Bmusician/talkheader and User talk:Bmusician/AFC; can you please check again? Thanks a lot! →Bmusician 04:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I think that's the lot now - I've left one or two deleted where you'd moved the content somewhere else, but otherwise you should have your (vast!) collection of subpages back. If you do find that I've still missed something, once again, do let me know. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 November 2012

A brownie for you!

And one for you too - thanks for helping clear out Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Ooh, brownie. Thanks! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

You actually beat me to it...and I am fat enough, being in Brussels now :).

What to do about Kashmir conflict? Lectonar (talk) 13:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. Didn't notice that we'd missed one - I'd say content dispute, full protection for a couple of days. You want to take it or shall I? Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, go ahead....Lectonar (talk) 13:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, on further consideration I don't think protection's necessary. Neither party has edited the page since yesterday, and I've left a message on the talkpage there pointing both of them at WP:DR; hopefully they'll follow that route and the page can be left open to editors. I'm going to decline the report for the time being; we'll see what happens next. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

User page

Hello Yunshui, how are you? I have followed your advice and have refrained from editing that article which led to disputes. Thanks for being there. I am here for a different question altogether. I want to have a nice user page like everyone does, with links and user boxes. Can you help me how to do it? Or can someone be requested to generate it ffor me? Thanks :) —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 10:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi IndianBio. I wish other parties in that dispute had been as sensible as you in that respect... You might find the Userpage design centre a useful place to start; it's got tons of formatting ideas that you can copy and paste to your userpage to make it all-singing, all-dancing. There are also plenty of userboxes available, which are a fairly popular way of listing information about yourself. Another approach is to find a userpage you like belonging to someone else, and copy the formatting to your own page (changing whatever details you need to).
If you need a hand with specifics, give me a shout and I'll do what I can. There's also a list of users here who are willing to help with userpage design; you can approach them directly and see if they'd be up for lending you a hand. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 11:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot again Yunshui. I will request someone to help me for sure. And yes, I wish the same for the other party. But it does irk me when someone unnecessary trolls and makes personal attacks for no reason. Is this allowed here at all? :( —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 08:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I have asked User:General on his talk page, hope he responds. :) *fingers crossed* —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 11:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Johnny Manziel's Bio

There has been some discussion about whether to "allow" or "publish" Manziel's arrest information. Both his arrest and pictures are publicly available information and have been credited accordingly.

Just to be clear, I don't care much about the guy. Some have insinuated a personal vendetta but I went to an ACC school so I have far more things to worry about. Nevertheless, what does bother me (which is also the reason why I continue to fight this) is the assertion that "it doesn't contribute anything to his information." I whole heartedly and respectfully disagree. First, the information posted is fully and one-hundred percent FACTUAL. The sentences don't seem to shift the blame to him (or any of his colleagues) or to anyone else. Moreover, the information pertains to the charges (again a matter of public record) and do not indicate whether he was convicted or not. Lastly, the information has been summarized enough and his picture serves to further prove the validity of the arrest.

Some have said that "Johny has changed" but, once again, I don't care whether he has or not and, in any event, that's irrelevant to this discussion. And I am not insinuating that he has become a criminal, nor that he has committed a series of criminal acts. The facts are that (1) he was arrested; (2) he presented a false ID; (3) he was booked and released. Those are the facts and precisely what is written.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdrev1985 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with you, Awdrev1985, and I have no intention on removing the content. I think the content you added is appropriate, factual, and follows Wikipedia guidelines, and would have been a violation for me to remove. I said as much on your talk page. My contention, one that I've expressed to Yunshui in an email (which is copied on my talk page), is that jumping over semi-protecting the page directly to fully protecting it is to go too far.
If the page would have been semi-protected, that action alone would have effectively killed the edit war which was waged almost exclusively by anonymous editors. That move also would have locked out 99.9% of the vandals who change Manziel's name to some random person's name or who throw profanity onto the page.
Yunshui, you mentioned on the Manziel talk page that consensus needs to be established. I assert that if you look at the edit history, you will find that consensus already already exists among Wikipedians -- that the content should remain. It is anonymous users who are causing the trouble by deleting the section, and semi-protecting the page will take care of them while allowing constructive editing to continue.
Again, please make the page semi-protected and allow me to continue working on it. The edits I'm planning to make are in keeping with Wikipedia Guidelines. If I go against my word and continue the edit war (which is the very reason you protected the page in the first place), block or ban me. --BroJohnE (talk) 19:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Just a procedural note: the policy on page protection mandates full protection over semi-protection in response to edit wars unless all participants are IP editors or new accounts. Awdrev, who is autoconfirmed and can therefore edit through semi-protection, performed one of the reverts, so semi-protection for edit-warring would not be allowed. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe that you have misapplied or misinterpreted the policies on page protection. There are five bullet points of guidelines for administrators to keep in mind when requesting page protection, and the one you mentioned is indeed one of the guidelines. But it is not the more relevant or applicable guideline to use. The very first bullet point is
  • Subject to significant but temporary vandalism or disruption (for example, due to media attention) when blocking individual users is not a feasible option.
This is exactly the case for the Johnny Manziel wiki page. The Heisman trophy voting is coming up next week, and major campaigns are be waged in the media. Manziel will quite possibly be the first freshman to with the award, but there is a lot of opposition against a freshman winning the award. Consequently, there is a tremendous amount of interest in Manziel, but for and against him.
Your making the Manziel page fully protected comes at a woefully inconvenient and unfortunate time. The first bullet point is the relevant one. The second -- which you stated above -- is not applicable, and therefore you made a mistake in applying it. Consequently, you are not mandated to choose full protection over semi-protection. Please apply semi-protection to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BroJohnE (talk • contribs) 23:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


There seems to be a consensus between BroJohnE and I regarding this issue and I am glad he supports that the material stays. As he mention, I reckon there will probably be a war between unsigned IP addresses and/or other users since apparently the Heisman trophy vote is happening soon. In any event, this is to your discretion entirely. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdrev1985 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


FYI...I have filed a request for a change in page protection at WP:RFPP. And thanks for chiming in on the topic, Awdrev1985. --BroJohnE (talk) 05:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Yunshui, I've declined the request for now until you can comment. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
This issue basically boils down to whether or not one regards the IP removals of the section as vandalism. If these edits are vandalism, then semi-protection is mandated. However if they are good faith edits, this is a content dispute which, since it involves registered users, warrants full protection. My personal take on the matter was that these edits were genuine, if mistaken, attempts to adhere to WP:BLP, especially since the source provided was a Yahoo site rather than a newspaper (it's perfectly valid as a reference, I'm just pointing out that some users might see Yahoo as a weak source); hence, I assumed good faith and went for full protection. However, on reflection, none of the IPs appear to have tried discussing this matter or leaving edit summaries, which makes it hard to assess their motives - I can understand that blanking a section without offering any reason could be easily construed as vandalism.
Without attempting to comment on the content itself, the contested section does appear to be a valid insertion to the article, and if appropriately sourced is acceptable under the BLP policy. Although it would have been better if the editors involved in restoring the material had contacted the IP user(s) and explained this, if the only objection to the section is that it "isn't relevent/is an attempt to influence an off-wiki vote" then there is no real case to answer; these are not valid objections.
Re-framing the IP removals as vandalism doesn't come easily to me - I still consider that they may well have been made with the best of intentions. However, this looks to me like a case where the most appropriate course of action is semi-protection, even though it may not be the correct action according to the protection policy. Thus, I'm going to ignore the rules on this occssion and amend the protection to semi. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:48, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for responding so quickly. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 10:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thanks. --BroJohnE (talk) 12:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Bigger comment, perhaps?

I saw your comment on talk page of Kashmir conflict. Could you please post a more elaborate response on the dispute itself? That would help a great deal. As you asked, I also initiated a discussion on WP:NPOV/N. You could post your comment there also. This guy is attributing a quote that is not in the source itself and then preventing me from improving it while claiming that I'm edit warring. Please note that it's Killbillbrowser who is reverting my legitimate changes. I've done what I could, tried to talk some sense into him. Now what should I do, wait till the end of eternity? So far the discussion in WP:NPOV/N has got one commentator who only advised, "'stated' would be more neutral" (which I tried to implement and then got reverted by KBB). When I asked that commentator to provide a bigger comment he emphatically claim what he advised is enough. Now either tell me what to do here or comment on either of the two discussion pages. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 08:24, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to remain involved in a purely administrative capacity in case it becomes necessary to protect the page (a protection request was filed, which I declined in the hopes that the two of you could engage in dispute resolution to solve the disagreement). Partly because of this, and partly because in all honesty this is not an area in which I have much knowledge or interest, I'm deliberately avoiding taking a position on which of you is correct. Waiting for other editors to comment is the appropriate course of action on your part; the world won't end if the article is temporarily incorrect. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:01, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay, fair enough. I too think that protecting the page might be the last resort if this sort of misinformation continues. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 12:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
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