Talk:Technoblade/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Outdated info regarding splash text

According to Polygon, fans have petitioned for a splash text to be added to the main menu of Minecraft in tribute to Technoblade, with the text reading "Technoblade never dies!"

This is now outdated information, as the splash has indeed been added as of 1.19.1 Pre-release 3. DigiDuncan (talk) 04:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@DigiDuncan: Do you have a source that's not an open wiki? Anyone can edit the Minecraft Wiki just like they can Wikipedia, so it being added to that page doesn't mean anything as far as reliability goes. It's not listed as a change for the 1.19.1 Pre-release 3 notes. - Aoidh (talk) 04:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aoidh: I found this Betseg (talk) 16:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Dexerto is not a reliable source per WP:VGRS. Do you have a better source? Link20XX (talk) 17:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

While I have seen a lot of talk about this online that this has been added, I do not believe a reliable source has yet to make an article about it as far as I can see by scrolling through google, but maybe I missed something. Johnson524 (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Possible new information

At 15:30 on Technoblade's Potato War 3 video, he says, "Look, I'm an atheist, but when God sends me to hell, I want him to hesitate." Either he actually was atheist or was using that statement as a punch line, but if he actually was would that be included in the article? 172.112.210.32 (talk) 15:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

If we can't tell if it was a joke or not, then we can't include it in the article. Sorry, –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:DUE and WP:ABOUTSELF, including anything about his personal life beyond his name, where he lived, and his cancer diagnosis/battle would be unnecessary. But if the next generation of Wikipedia editors thinks otherwise, they'll get on it. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 14:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Would be great for Wikiquote lol. SWinxy (talk) 00:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2022

Technoblade has another channel called 'Derp Squad' https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi33cS_uOzQkiA9KRsBvFyQ 202.133.55.217 (talk) 14:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2022

There are grammatical errors all over this page. I would like to be able to edit it to fix them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juniwolf22 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please specify what the grammatical errors are and they can be fixed. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2022

can u add the text at the bottom of the page as a small tribute to techno

blood for the blood god thank you king fly high o7 Fortechnoblade (talk) 09:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: No, Wikipedia is not a memorial site or an online condolence book. (See WP:NOTMEMORIAL.) Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 09:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Rfc for source regarding ADHD

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

After appeal of the close at AN there was consensus to overturn to no consensus. There was some discussion at AN about whether it should instead be re-opened. Continued dispute resolution may be appropriate through an RfC, but I am going to encourage interested editors to discuss whether an RfC with fewer (and perhaps different) options could stand a better chance of gaining consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Should the mention of Technoblade's ADHD in the personal life section:

• A. Be sourced to the current article that is from Pinknews, a reliable secondary source, but is mostly about twitter drama from people talking about Technoblade instead of being directly about Technoblade himself and only mentions his ADHD in passing?
• B. Be sourced to statements directly from the deceased subject about his ADHD, which are primary sources instead of secondary?
• C. Be sourced to a different secondary source that is more directly about Technoblade but may not be as reliable as Pinknews?
• D. Be removed altogether due to the lack of reliable fully on-topic secondary sources? Unnamed anon (talk) 11:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

• Option D: Remove completely. I personally consider the mere presence of the current source to be undue weight towards the pointless twitter arguments. Even if there is no mention of the twitter drama on this page in prose, it's easily found here, and thus I consider it undue weight, not because the article takes a particular side, but because both sides it reports seem to be fringe viewpoints. Pinknews is a reliable source, but the linked article is very off-topic and gives undue weight to fringe viewpoints in a way that is admittedly not biased, but regardless of the lack of bias both reported sides are fringe. in my opinion. I previously considered options B and C, but arguments made by other users convinced me away from them. Pinging Zaereth, {{u|Ss112, Aoidh, Link20XX, RayDeeUx, and X-Editor. Unnamed anon (talk) 12:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Option E: Stumble upon a news source that is reliable per the Perennial sources table which I can't wikilink because I'm currently on Firefox for Android: the Sydney Morning Herald! https://www.smh.com.au/technology/how-a-youtuber-s-death-brought-virtual-grief-into-my-family-20220703-p5aynn.html Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 12:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon, see my previous reply. I'm confident that it can replace PinkNews per WP:RSPSS. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 13:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx:: I actually did use the sydney herald source in place of pinknews at one point. However, it was reverted by Aoidh for being an "opinion piece". However, I see that the sydney herald is indeed a reliable source, (I thought it wasn't given Aoidh's wording, so your option E was what I had in mind for my option C; regardless, I change my vote to using the Sydney Herald). I agree with you that the sydney herald article is much better than the pinknews article despite the former being an opinion piece, since it is actually about Technoblade and doesn't give undue weight to twitter drama. Unnamed anon (talk) 15:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aoidh, @Unnamed anon, rejoice! I have found two sources whose domains have been used at least 500 times throughout Wikipedia:

• https://www.sportskeeda.com/minecraft/who-technoblade-all-need-know-popular-minecraft-streamer | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=insource%3A%22sportskeeda.com%22&ns0=1 (although sportskeeda.com is usually cited for articles about athletes...)
• https://www.looper.com/815114/the-untold-truth-of-technoblade/ | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=insource%3A%22looper.com%22&ns0=1

You two get to decide. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 01:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Being used on Wikipedia unfortunately doesn't translate to it being a good source. I wouldn't trust Looper per this and Sportskeeda per this. They just aren't good sources and are exactly the type of clickbait articles that have no editorial oversight, for much the same reason as WP:FORBESCON. - Aoidh (talk) 01:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aoidh Could you find another discussion for Looper's reliability? A two person discussion is, in gentle terms, not strong enough grounds.

As for Sportskeeda, your link did lead to a discussion between a larger group of editors, so that's fair enough.

Would still appreciate some help finding any non-SPSs on Technoblade's ADHD from your end. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 02:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources has discussions regarding both of these sources, and both have been deemed unreliable there, as well. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks Looks like we're stuck with PinkNews. Thanks for the clarification. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 15:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

• Option A; the PinkNews article is reliable and a solid source, even if it does cover material that I would oppose being in the article. To counter the claim above, the Tweet the article covered was made on May 30, 2020 (according to the article), while the Tweet that Ss112 linked above was not posted on that date, thus the source doesn't lose any credibility. Frankly, I have no idea why you are so insistent on removing this source, almost to the point I feel like you are disrupting normal operation just to make one. No opposition to using The Sydney Morning Herald (Option C), though it is an opinion piece so I'm 100% certain it is a high-quality source. No comment as to whether it is due weight to mention it but that is not the topic of this RfC. Link20XX (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Link20XX: - When you said I have no idea why you are so insistent on removing this source it made me look. I'm not going to comment on Unnamed anon's motivations, but I can look at their contribs. I did notice an editing pattern of removing anything that is LGBT related.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] That PinkNews is an LGBT paper does fit within that editing pattern. - Aoidh (talk) 22:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
• @Link20XX: A little off-topic but I think that's a mistake of the PinkNews source, to claim that the tweet was actually made in 2020. It was made pretty clear at the time that Dream SMP fans had dug up Technoblade's old tweets to "cancel" him. I don't recall really any controversial jokes made by Technoblade after he grew substantially following Minecraft Monday in 2019. All in all, dumb Twitter drama. Ss112 07:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

• Option E Summoned by a bot. I'm following the logic above regarding the use of the Sydney Herald article as a RS that can replace the Pinknews source. Comatmebro (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
• Option A - The issue was started in part because PinkNews mentions the ADHD in passing. The Sydney Morning Herald also mentions it in passing, so I fail to see how it's an improvement. Further the Herald's piece is a columnist's opinion piece, not a news article. - Aoidh (talk) 22:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

  As the one who found the SMH source, I'll try to see if I can find a third source that both you and Unnamed anon can be satisfied with. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 00:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Aoidh Whoops, forgot a ping there. Anyways, current status: still stuck with the SMH source. Would appreciate your assistance in finding alternate sources (preferably without digging his Twitter account per WP:ABOUTSELF) as well. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 00:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: there are probably a dozen or two SPSs we could list, just by combing through his videos (but that's the entire point of this RfC). E.g. a December 2017 video: [9]. SWinxy (talk) 00:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

  @SWinxy No need, I've found two non-SPSs from domains that have been used at least 500 times throughout (English) Wikipedia. See above where I send two pings. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 01:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

• Option B- that is the best source for what Technoblade has said about himself. I haven't seen the exact quotes, so it should be worded correctly (pedantically), but without a quote from a medical professional published in a reliable source, I can't see how we can do better than that. Any secondary source would just be repeating with less detail what Technoblade said about himself (AFAIK). His videos are the best source for that. The SMH article shows why it's relevant though: A published author and blogger, Kerri Sackville, whose career appears to be based around social commentary involving topics like "parenting and grief" (source: https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/kerri-sackville) is published in a reputable source describing why Technoblade has had such an impact on some young people "many of them neurodivergent". The ADHD is mentioned somewhat in passing, but it is making the point his openness about "his ADHD, and, in recent months, his cancer diagnosis" is what made his passing more impactful for some people. I agree with her take, but she has better credentials than me, and was published in the SMH, a reliable source. Salpynx (talk) 02:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: I donʻt think thereʻs a problem with the articleʻs usage of the Pinknews source as it is now; WP:UNDUE is about the content of the Wikipedia article itself, not about sources used as references in the article. The Pinknews article is used specifically as a reference to the statement that Technopig was diagnosed with ADHD, which it does, even though the Pinknews article is otherwise a mess. With that said, I donʻt think there would be an issue with using one of Technopigʻs videos or social media posts (such as this tweet) as an additional reference; we can generally expect individuals to be reliable sources for information about themselves, such as what medical conditions they have, which is the kind of situation where WP:ABOUTSELF would allow the use of self-published sources. Musashi1600 (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
  • @Musashi1600: @Ss112:, ok, fair about WP:UNDUE not applying here, though I would still like to state that I feel wildly uncomfortable even using a source about, as Ss112 put it Dream SMP fans [who] had dug up Technoblade's old tweets to "cancel" him. Its mere presence (again, regardless of the fact that we don't mention its contents) feels like it immortalizes a petty cancel culture campaign that should have otherwise been quickly forgotten. I don't think there's any official policy or essay stating this given how specific and niche this situation is, but it still makes me uncomfortable to use a report on a really stupid cancel culture campaign as a source unless the campaign has a direct effect on the subject (such as with Chris Pratt). It has nothing to do with Pinknews being an LGBT source, as Aoidh suspects, but rather the specific article being about a cancel culture smear. Thank you Musashi1600 for your input about primary sources though. Unnamed anon (talk) 21:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

    I don't like the fact that this specific article is being used as a reference because it's mostly silly Twitter drama in an article form, but given that Technoblade himself personally and publicly acknowledged having ADHD, I think there's a benefit to including that fact in his Wikipedia article. I also think that benefit outweighs whatever negative effects there are from using a source that mostly discusses an attempt to "cancel" him (which clearly was not and is not successful, as evidenced by the amount of attention he's received since his passing was announced.)

    Under the current circumstances, it looks like there's no other reliable and non-self-published source that references Technoblade's ADHD diagnosis (and no, the Sydney Morning Herald column is not a reliable source because it is expressly identified as an opinion piece), so I think the best option is to keep the article as-is. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 10:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. Whichever source we use, I think it at least deserves a mention, as Technoblade himself said he had ADHD, and coming from somebody who was conservative with what they revealed about themselves it's significant. I'd also like to echo Musashi1600's point above, that when I saw UNDUE being raised I was going to point out that UNDUE applies to coverage of a topic on a Wikipedia article, not about sources or what they say. Ss112 07:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

For anyone who may have been interested in the above discussion or is interested in editing this article in general, the above closure is being discussed at WP:AN. The thread is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Challenging the NAC at Talk:Technoblade's RfC. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

Add the nickname "Alex" next to Alexander since he announced to the world that his name was a nickname of Alexander Heyitsmeomar (talk) 20:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 20:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

@MadGuy7023 Alex is the name he gave in the announcement video, and Alexander was the full name in a tribute on his official website. I'm not actually sure what to do about this, though. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Two things:

• I have begun drafting a new section of the article here. If you would like to add something, feel free to do so.
• @Sausage Link of High Rule added that Technoblade was an atheist to "Personal life" in this revision, which is sourced to a YouTube video. I'm not sure if this is relevant, as it has not been discussed or even mentioned in published, reliable sources, as WP:BLP, which also applies to recently deceased people, dictates. Leaving it in until further comment.

Thanks, — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:40, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Given that the atheist wording was discussed previously and it was determined to be inappropriate due to the fact that the source was him joking around and thus may not have been serious about that, I have removed it. We'd need a better source than him telling a joke. - Aoidh (talk) 11:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, he's also said, "I just praised Jesus and I'm not even a Christian!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjyGRLvBL5A Sausage Link of High Rule (talk) 11:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Again, might be a joke, but also it's WP:OR to conclude that someone is atheist just because they say they are not Christian. - Aoidh (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFAiFyGs6oDiF1Nf-rRJpZA or https://www.youtube.com/Technoblade?

There has been this sequence of edits where the URL was being constantly changed between these two. Which one should we use? weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 19:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

@Weeklyd3: Second one for sure since it's more readable to humans, but I don't know if this is something discussed more widely (if it's a problem here, it probably would be an issue elsewhere). –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 02:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@MJL I simply added it due to these types of URLs being used on other pages, and it can't be changed, whereas custom URLs can be. Probably doesn't matter for Technoblade, since he is deceased so the URL is extremely unlikely to change, but it could. Just because they aren't expected to change doesn't mean they can't/won't. It doesn't matter too much about being human readable since the only people that will see it are editors, not the general public. Strugglehouse (talk) 19:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Strugglehouse: That's a good point. We should probably prioritize he persistent URL in that case. You've changed my mind. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@MJL Cool, no problem! Strugglehouse (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Using the vanity URL is better imo. Readers will see the URL, in the URL preview on hover, and in the URL box when clicked. I don't consider them to be 'not stable', either. SWinxy (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I reverted the original change of the URL for being longer than the original one in it's place, but seeing both sides on this has now made me change my opinion to neutral. Johnson524 (Talk!) 22:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@SWinxy URLs with channel IDs are used on many articles. They are only seen in small places by general readers; places many won't notice or care about. It still goes to the same place and avoid any hassle of having to change it if it changes. A URL with a channel ID will always work, unless the channel is deleted, but custom URLs can be changed. It's happened before, even with bigger channels. DanTDM, as a quick example, changed his channel name and URL from "TheDiamondMinecart" to "DanTDM". Strugglehouse (talk) 22:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

First sentence

When this article was first created, I remember discussing the first sentence in the lede. At one point, the lede went Technoblade (DOB; real name Alexander) so that it wouldn't break the flow. Should we keep it as-is or change it back?

example revision — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 22:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, should we name him Alexander or Technoblade in the body? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 02:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:PSEUDONYM we would list his legal name first, followed by the pseudonym, so I do think Alexander should be listed first, as while that's not his full legal name, that is the legal name we know. For what to refer to him in the article as, MOS:PSEUDONYM uses Magic Johnson as an example and says In the article (and in other articles) use: Magic Johnson left Michigan State... so per that I would say we follow that example and the example of similar articles like Bono, which refers to him as Bono throughout the article and not Hewson. Technoblade is overwhelmingly what reliable sources use, and he is known specifically because of the Technoblade persona, not as Alexander. I especially think Technoblade is the better name as when articles use a single part of the person's name to refer to someone (outside of the lede) they use the last name, and in this case that name just isn't known. - Aoidh (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the article, there are only three places where the name Alexander is used instead of Technoblade; under the Reactions and Tributes section in the sentence "...also creating a special tribute to Alexander on their website," and in the two notes. Because of how little the name Alexander is used compared to his more well known pseudonym Technoblade, I believe standardizing the article from the first sentence on using the name Technoblade instead of Alexander is the right way to go. Johnson524 (Talk!) 06:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done by Sparkl on 4 August. Johnson524 (Talk!) 14:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

MOS:PSEUDONYM has the same issue as the rest of MOS:NAME - it only addresses pseudonyms vs full legal names, and doesn't have contingencies for people who have made the deliberate choice to hide their last name from public view. I opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Is_there_any_value_in_having_incomplete_names_in_bio_leads? a while ago because this was also a recurring issue at Dream (YouTuber) and Sykkuno, but overall I find myself in agreement with the original phrasing that Vortex3427 proposed (Technoblade (DOB; real name Alexander)), and Johnson524's rationale for including it second. To me, "Alexander, better known as Technoblade" looks quite odd, almost making it seem as if Alexander was the full legal name of Technoblade, which it clearly isn't. Also, courtesy ping to User:Link20XX who reverted the name today and User:Aoidh who was part of this discussion. What do you all think about laying the groundwork of a RfC at MOS:NAME MOS:BIO? Pilaz (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I think the current wording is fine. MOS:PSEUDONYM states For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the legal name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym. Alexander is his legal name, and while it probably is not his full legal name, the policy just says "legal name" and not "full legal name" or "full name". The aforementioned examples of Sykkuno and Dream (YouTuber) are also irrelevant here since both of these individuals are living and thus get WP:BLPPRIVACY, which mandates full names. However, Technoblade has been dead about 3 months now so I think it is fair to say the BLP policy no longer applies here. Link20XX (talk) 17:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

You left out the wikilink to legal name that is in MOS:PSEUDONYM, which in no ambiguous terms reads A person's legal name typically is the same as their personal name, comprising a given name and a surname. Pilaz (talk) 18:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

My point still stands; even though it isn't his full legal name, it is at least part of it and IMO should be treated the same way. Plus, many legal names also include middle names (as stated at personal name), yet there are many examples of articles identifying people better known under a pseudonym by their given name and surname only. I can provide some examples if you want, but I don't feel like it. Link20XX (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I know SWinxy was in favor of starting with the pseudonym when I brought up a similar issue. He might want to weigh in here on this.
@Link20XX: If you are suggesting adding a last name to the article for Technoblade, then I will point out that WP:BLPPRIVACY is probably going to still apply here because Technoblade still has living parents and siblings who do not wish to be public figures. They still have a right to some level of privacy. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 20:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I am not suggesting we add a last name (unless secondary sources start picking it up which I strongly doubt will happen at this point); I just brought that up to differentiate the examples that Pilaz brought up. Link20XX (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

The examples still matter within this discussion that I proposed because I was illustrating that the three chose by design not to reveal their last name. I chose them to highlight how frequent this MOS problem occurs on Wikipedia when discussing online personalities, and why it needs MOS-treatment instead of localized treatment. Besides, it's not like we have a last name for either of the three BLP and non-BLP personalities. Pilaz (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, MJL. I think it's an unusual circumstance to have a pseudonym, and only a first name. If 'legal name' is interpreted to mean both first and last, then this would be an exclusion and we should write his pseudonym first (which I am in favor of). It would be different if there was a last name, but we don't. Online personalities usually really want to keep their privacy, and that's understandable, but lacking that information changes how we talk about them. My preference is Technoblade (DOB; born Alexander)..., to be clear. SWinxy (talk) 23:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Technoblade/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 02:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll give a look at this during the week. If I haven't reviewed by Sunday (the 14th), feel free to ping me. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 02:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004: thank you for your interest in the Good article process. I'm just a passerby, but I have concerns over whether or not you're suited to perform this review, especially given how contentious the article is at the moment. Are you sure that you have the experience to review this article? —VersaceSpace 🌃 03:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Activity on this has mainly died down, as it has been two months since he died. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries. After my original comment, I looked through the user's contributions and found another GA review, which I found to be good enough to alleviate any concern I had about a quality review being done. —VersaceSpace 🌃 05:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004 It's the fourteenth now. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Copyright

• Infobox image has acceptable fair use rationale.
• Ran the article through Earwig and it looks good. I believe the few sentences that were flagged are just a website that copied some info from Wikipedia.

Stability

• Article is stable now, without edit wars and there seems to be consensus over past disputes. Only thing right now is a minor disagreement over the channel URL.

General comment

• The sheer number of citations really hurts readability and is completely unnecessary for most claims. Any instance of having 3 or 4 citations on a single claim can definitely be reduced to 1 or 2 without sacrificing verifiability. It definitely feels like WP:CITEKILL in some places.
  • I'm probably the one to blame here, since I was a major contributor to the sources in this article. I'll be careful next time.  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

• As far as I can tell, Creator Award dates for YouTubers require citations. I think archives of his YouTube channel when it reached these sub milestones will suffice.
  • I couldn't find any sources detailing his subscriber milestones, so it seems like the best choice here is to cite SocialBlade.  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• He died in June 2022 of metastatic sarcoma. - Here, the lead and body disagree. Since the body never claims that he actually died of sarcoma, I would rephrase this sentence in the lead as well. Also this doesn't need to have any citations, let alone four of them, if the claim is sourced in the body of the article.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• I'd recommend expanding the lead a bit. It's probably not two paragraphs worth, but it seems possible to add a few sentences about his death (the reactions to it) and legacy, and maybe about his accomplishments in Minecraft.
  •  Done by nom. I'm not sure if the current lead prose is long enough, but I'd say it's decent. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Career

• Cale Michael of Dot Esports named him as "one of the best Minecraft players in the content creation space, especially when it comes to player versus player events." - Cut this up into more paraphrasing and less of a direct quote of a sentence.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• Technoblade became a member of the Dream SMP Minecraft server in 2020 - A brief explanation here of what the Dream SMP is would be nice to uninformed readers ("... , a collaboration between popular YouTubers, ..." as an example)
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• In September 2021, Technoblade raised over $300,000 for the Sarcoma Foundation of America through a charity livestream, passing the $250,000 goal within two hours. - Chronologically speaking, this should go before Around the time of his death in June 2022...
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal life

• Technoblade was born on June 1, 1999. - I'd just drop the TheWrap source, since it doesn't even back up this claim really. His tweet alone is fine.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• He was an English major but later dropped out of college to play Minecraft full-time. - The very same thing is mentioned in the Career section, so remove one of these. Personally I'd keep this sentence here and remove it from Career, but either way is fine.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• The rest of Technoblade's personal life remains unknown. - Something about this sentence seems off to me, like it's unencyclopedic. Could just remove it and rephrase the next sentence as well.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Cancer diagnosis and death

• The video tribute became the top trending video - Somewhat inaccurate to call it a video tribute, since this is referring to the announcement video.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• His channel also gained more than 5 million subscribers posthumously. - I might be wrong, but if he had 10.8 million subscribers around the time of his death, and has 15.2 million now, that's just false. Either way, it doesn't seem pertinent to mention in the article.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• as well as Simon Collins-Laflamme, the co-founder of Hypixel, and Elon Musk. - This shouldn't go at the end of this sentence, since it creates ambiguity about the target of Dream & others' condolences/support. Put these two earlier in the sentence or in a new sentence entirely.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• and the Sarcoma Foundation of America sent its support to the family, who also created a special tribute on their website. - Same problem as above, it really sounds like the family created a special tribute, not the Sarcoma Foundation.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• "the video they shared contains all information they are comfortable sharing at this time." - I recommend paraphrasing this instead of directly quoting it.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Notes

• In line with the rest of the article, the note should probably use "Technoblade", not "Alexander".
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Sources

• Passes 2a with flying colors. Congrats!
• In general, it seems like a really bloated references section. Although not strictly necessary for GA, I'd recommend removing redundant citations, especially to lesser-quality/less reliable sources.
• Reviewed this version of the article.
• Spotchecked 4, 11, 16, 24, 34, 43, 55.
  • 4
  • 11
  • 16
  • 24
  • 34
  • 43
  • 55 in reference to one of his common catchphrases. - not supported by either source
    •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait on this review. It was a bit of a downer going back and reading some of the sources on this article, but these are my thoughts on it. Obviously I have an issue with the number of sources on this article, so trimming that down would be a great improvement. Also, I passed it on the NPOV criterion -- the article is generally positive, but I couldn't really find negative coverage of him (not that I did too much Google-fu). I've put the nomination on hold for now; I think these issues can be fixed in a decent time frame. Let me know once you've addressed these points. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 01:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I would like to add a comment to this review: The lead appears to be much too short for a GA. Per MOS:LEAD, the lead should provide a general overview of the topic, while the current one simply says that he was a YouTuber, and died in June 2022. I suggest that more content from this article be included in the lead. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004 Does that fix the citation overkill and OR? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I've done most of the suggestions except for infobox (I'm not experienced with Wayback Machine), but, after reading through PewDiePie, another YouTuber GA, I realized there should probably be a section for content and image here. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think Vortex3427 and I have fixed all of the issues here. I'm a bit stumped or uncertain about the lead situation though. Sparkl^talk 14:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

So I have looked at the lead, but I feel it would be difficult to expand upon it any further, especially on some of his major accomplishments in Minecraft, without going into topics which would only be understood by a handful of his audience (which is explained better in Q3 of the Frequently Asked Questions). Johnson524 (Talk!) 17:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It seems so, I also couldn't find a way to expand the lead without creating a WP:FANCRUFT tone. Other than that, the article has it's issues resolved and is in good standing, now we can just wait until the verdict. Sparkl^talk 19:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I decided to be bold and made some changes to the lead myself. Let me know what you think of this lead section now. As for the other points, they've been sufficiently addressed it looks like. One last thing, though: at the end of the article, the phrase "After an online petition" isn't backed up by the sources, best I can tell. Pending that, and consensus on the lead, I'll pass the article. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 19:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, @Sparkl and @Bluecrystal004! I swear that a petition was mentioned in the Dot Esports source, but I looked back and didn't find anything, and it's already been changed anyway. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 22:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks fine now. Thanks for your work on this article, @Sparkl and @Vortex3427. Promoting to GA now Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 03:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: @Bluecrystal004: No worries, and take care! Sparkl^talk 03:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Splash text

Several sources report that the splash text was added some time ago. "According to Polygon, fans have petitioned for a splash text to be added"

https://twitter.com/bladeupdating/status/1544738332177010689

https://attackofthefanboy.com/gaming/minecraft-honors-technoblade-with-new-splash-text-on-the-main-menu/

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/minecraft-devs-respond-to-technoblade-fan-petition-by-adding-another-classy-tribute-1864862/

Checkraisefold (talk) 22:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

At the time you wrote that, Mojang added the splash in a snapshot version, but not a full release version. It was included in the full release version 1.19.1 (released July 27). Partofthemachine (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources that we can use to support this? The Dexerto article above is basing their entire article on a tweet, so that's not a great source, and the AotF source above doesn't say where they're getting their info from, but based on the publication date of July 6 it's likely they're getting their information from the twitter and reddit discussions that said it would be added, rather than any sort of official announcement or dive into the code (that hadn't released at that time) or anything. If it is added, they didn't mention it on any changelogs I can find. - Aoidh (talk) 04:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

They didn't put it on a changelog but it was added in the 3rd prerelase for 1.19.1 and it was in the full release for 1.19.1, but no WP:RS seems to have covered it. Betseg (talk) 06:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Here are some. [10] [11] [12] WaggersTALK 10:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Waggers: Those sources are discussing the pig with the crown that was added to the launcher, not the splash text which apparently was added later. - Aoidh (talk) 10:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah, oops. Thanks for the clarification. WaggersTALK 12:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

IPA pronunciation

Hi there, I've added a commented-out IPA pronunciation of the name "Technoblade" to the page. The transcription is /ˈtɛknoʊbleɪd/. I asked @Nardog to confirm its accuracy, which they confirmed as correct. However, Nardog also stated that they doubt whether a transcription is really needed per WP:LEADPRON. I'd like to get consensus on whether it is needed. If you have the time, please feel free to discuss. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 16:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

It is a concatenation of the word "techno" and "blade", which should make the pronunciation easy to infer. 0xDeadbeef 16:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

There's also the option of {{Respell|TECH|no|blade}} → TECH-no-blade, or something similar to that affect. SWinxy (talk) 19:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:PRON, a respelling is to be used in addition to, not in place of, an IPA transcription (and it would be TEK-noh-blayd). Nardog (talk) 06:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:LEADPRON it seems really unnecessary to have the IPA pronunciation. It's techno and blade, two common English words which need no pronunciation guide themselves, so I don't think combining the two common English words renders the resulting word suddenly uncommon or unintelligible and in need of a pronunciation guide. - Aoidh (talk) 16:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I've altered {{Infobox YouTube personality}} to add a "pronunciation" field. Should I simply add the IPA to the infobox instead? I've already added it now, but if you also disagree with adding it to the infobox, feel free to revert. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 18:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think it belongs in the infobox per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE - it should seek to summarize, not supplant information found in the article. Not opposed to seeing it in the lead or the body in general, but in this particular case IPA is probably overkill. Pilaz (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't really think it belongs there either for the same reason but (1) I'm not going to revert it because I don't feel that strongly about it and it's certainly not going to hurt the article being there while it's discussed and (2) maybe I'm blind but I don't think adding it to the infobox actually displays anything, because I don't see it on the actual infobox, though I do see it in the code itself. - Aoidh (talk) 00:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay then, I think I'll go with community consensus and forget about adding IPA to the Technoblade article. For one, @Pilaz reverted my edits to {{Infobox YouTube personality}}. I also find @SWinxy's proposal for a respelling template to be unnecessary. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 02:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2022

add at the end of the paragraph, TECHNOBADE ENVER DIES. His fans use it to support him. HIhi111111111 (talk) 23:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a memorial site. Betseg (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Wrong date of birth

In the articel they claim that June 1st is Technoblades birthdate but other souces such as the wikipedia page for June 30th https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_30#1901%E2%80%93present_2 claim it to be june 30th. Susbedstain (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Was very tired when i wrote this and i did not notice that it was under deaths '_' Susbedstain (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Susbedstain: You're all good 🙂 Johnson524 (Talk!) 23:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Sarcoma

I didn't think we needed a note pointing out that some sources say that he died of cancer without specifying it was sarcoma. Did Technoblade not say in his video announcing he had cancer in August 2021 and elaborate on his update about nearly having his arm amputated in December 2021 that he had sarcoma in his shoulder? Before anybody tells me that we rely on what news sources say, I'm aware of how Wikipedia works. However, if it's straight from him, I would say that's all we need as an uncontentious self-description and we don't need the note pointing out some sources just don't have the full story—just like some reported he died on June 30, when this was never said and is demonstrably untrue as Wilbur Soot stated in his Twitch stream several days following the public announcement that he was informed by Technoblade's family during Vidcon (June 22–25, 2022). (In short, I don't think that note is necessary either.)

Did the Sarcoma Foundation of America not acknowledge Technoblade as having died from it? I remember seeing that mentioned somewhere. Also, I hesitate to bring it up (again), but the California newspaper obituaries that some undesirables from the Minecraft streamer standom found during Vidcon, at least a full week before his death was announced to the public, not only stated that he died on June 10, but that his family asked people to donate to the Sarcoma Foundation in lieu of flowers. That being said, I'm not a cancer expert and I'm not aware if this might mean that cancer can start out as sarcoma but then become some other amorphous type of cancer if it becomes metastatic and a person dies from it.

I guess TL;DR I'm just trying to raise that the truth is out there, even if it's not from news sources (at least, the non-obituary stuff that I don't want to link to like a doxxer would), that would negate needing to point out with footnotes that some sources are just plain wrong. One of the man's closest friends telling 100,000 viewers he was informed of Technoblade's death during Vidcon 2022 makes me think we don't even need to point out some sources are wrong in assuming he had died the day his family decided to tell the public. Ss112 03:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• If some sources put only his birth year and some put its exact date we would put the exact date. I don't understand how this is different. Betseg (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

• Verifiability, not truth. SWinxy (talk) 04:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

  I am aware of this essay, thank you. I myself have cited it multiple times in my 16 years as a Wikipedia editor, even if WP:V actually no longer makes it a point to say this itself. But as pointed out, it is verified in sources. It is just that they are either not the best news sources and, in the case of the Twitch stream I linked to, not a news source but a primary one. We in some cases still accept the sources I am talking about. I am trying to say we should not be lending credence to presumptuous news sources if we can prove with other sources that the news sources are demonstrably wrong. "A news source got this wrong, but we should still tell readers about it because it's a news source"? Ss112 05:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like the issue here is that otherwise-reputable sources are publishing inaccurate information, and the available sources that can verify that such information is inaccurate are mostly self-published sources (either Technoblade himself or associated streamers), meaning the more-accurate sources are essentially disregarded by editors following WP:RS. The footnotes are there because editors are only looking at the disparities in what has been published in these reputable sources and are not exercising their judgment to weigh sources for accuracy. I personally think that deviating from WP:RS to include and cite self-published sources such as YouTube videos/streams by Technoblade and others associated with him would be appropriate for this specific article, but that would probably require opening an RFC to see if there's enough support for going that route.

FWIW, the Sarcoma Foundation of America did publish a press release where they stated that Technoblade was diagnosed with sarcoma. It looks like much of the reporting about Technoblade's passing missed his connections to the SFA; however, this NY Times article published four days ago discusses his fundraising for the SFA. I'd also take the recent NYT article as a sign that more similarly-detailed reporting will be eventually published in gaming media, which would allow the citations to news articles published immediately after the announcement of his passing to be updated and replaced. Musashi1600 (talk) 09:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Musashi1600: Thank you for understanding what I was actually trying to get at and not citing essays or guidelines to me. Other reputable sources elaborating on his death in future is what I'm hoping for too. Ss112 23:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: I would be open to the opening of an RfC to discuss this. I believe that there is definitely a debate that can be made for being able to include that he died of specifically sarcoma, which I think could be cited by all three sources if agreed upon (The NY Times first, the SFA press release second, and potentially a self-source third such as Wilbur's stream or Technoblade's video). Johnson524 (Talk!) 00:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Thought I had checked XTools and it saying you were relatively new. :F SWinxy (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@SWinxy: I still think I am relatively new to Wikipedia compared to some others in this talk, having only been on the site for a little more than five months, but I don't see why that's very important. Johnson524 (Talk!) 01:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I sometimes check XTools to see their edit count to gauge things—and for some reason I mistook Ss112 as someone with very few edits, which is why I responded the way I did. Had I realized Ss112 had 100x my edit count, I would have given more of a response. SWinxy (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, sorry I thought you were responding to me 😅 Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnson524, @SWinxy, @Ss112, @Musashi1600: Allow me to join in with a less ephemeral self-published source: a blog post from an administrator of the Hypixel server Technoblade often visited (https://minikloon.com/blog/posts/osteosarcoma/). [Supplementing the Twitch stream source in case it heads south.] Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 02:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: By the way, could you perhaps point us to the timestamp where WilburSoot says Technoblade was diagnosed with (and later died from) sarcoma from the stream VOD you linked? Would love to "clip it and ship it", so to speak (preserve that portion of the VOD in a permalink), since Twitch's stream VOD system is notorious for deleting VODs after a period of time—whether it becomes a citation is not my concern. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 17:47, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx: Wilbur didn't say Technoblade died from sarcoma. I cited Wilbur as saying he was informed of Technoblade's death during Vidcon, because that was a week before it was revealed to the public and disproves any news reports assuming he died the same day as his family uploaded the "so long nerds" video. (Among other interesting things Wilbur reveals, like that in May of this year he and Technoblade were part of a Mr. Beast video that still hasn't been released, during which he remarked that he thought Technoblade seemed very energetic post-chemo and he thought he might be actually recovering, until subsequent times where he spoke to Technoblade during voice call and Technoblade would pause what he was saying to have a huge coughing fit, and in early June, where Technoblade told Wilbur he wouldn't be around long enough for Wilbur and Tommy to come visit him together and he believed cancer had "owned" him.) Ss112 08:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112 my mistake then. Let's backtrack to available sources re: "sarcoma vs cancer?" for now.

As for what Technoblade has said in his videos–any mention of his cancer between "where i've been" to "so long nerds" has never been specified as sarcoma:

- the auto-generated transcript in "where I've been" only mentions cancer (https://imgur.com/a/OEnXUMb),

- mentions of sarcoma according to the auto-generated transcript in "Minecraft But Viewers Control The Game [CHARITY EVENT]" weren't associated with Technoblade's own condition (https://imgur.com/a/m5lDk6O (Safari) / https://imgur.com/a/4tO7Wqe (Firefox)),

- no mentions of sarcoma were made in the auto-generated transcript for "I Almost Became An Amputee" (https://imgur.com/a/IwA9oew),

- the final note in "so long nerds" by Technoblade's mother only mentions "stage four cancer" and nothing further (https://imgur.com/a/zzvapF6),

- any other videos within that timeframe has not mentioned sarcoma within the video (https://imgur.com/a/DPyhWLW).

(Disclaimer: I have not conducted a search for "sarcoma" in the auto-generated transcripts in livestreams Technoblade has conducted since "where i've been" was uploaded (which he routinely marks unlisted and includes within a "Past Livestreams" playlist), but I wouldn't be surprised if he never specified the type of cancer he had in any of those livestreams either.)

That being said, this doesn't account for anything he's said outside his channel (ie during a Discord call while his friends were live on Twitch). And with Twitch's VOD system periodically deleting streams, what I consider to be our best bet(s) for reliable citations are the SFA press release, the self-published blog post on Minikloon's website (Minikloon being the Hypixel server administrator I mentioned on Monday), and/or a direct source.

TL;DR: Technoblade's channel alone does not have any evidence proving that Technoblade himself was diagnosed with sarcoma, and our only concrete source at the moment which complies with WP:RS is the SFA press release. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 12:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@RayDeeUx: Great, I wasn't sure but now I suppose we have an answer. What he did do was provide a fundraising link for the Sarcoma Foundation in one of his video descriptions. I don't see a reason he would have wanted people to raise money for research into that type of cancer specifically if what he had was not sarcoma. Why not bowel, lung, liver or any of the other many types of cancers? That being said, if you or another editor doesn't believe he died from sarcoma, great, go on believing we should follow news sources that don't know their arse from their elbow. Also, I know this wasn't targeted at me considering it was days before I started this thread, but I never said he, to use your sarcastic camel caps, "dIeD dUrInG vIdCoN" and nobody else should be saying that either, because that's not what Wilbur said. Wilbur only said he was informed of Technoblade's death then. I'm certain his family took their time to grieve, as they have every right to. I wouldn't be like one of these precious news sources this article and its regular editors insists on holding onto and assume things. Ss112 22:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnson524, SWinxy, Ss112, and RayDeeUx: It looks like the above discussion has run its course, so if there aren't any objections, I intend to revise the article to say that Technoblade died of sarcoma (citing to the SFA press release) and referencing his fundraising for the SFA (citing to the NY Times article I linked above). I'll wait about 24 hours before making any changes to allow anyone to comment. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 10:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with that 👍 Johnson524 (Talk!) 10:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Although I wasn't involved in the above discussion, I would agree with this too. QueenofBithynia (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! SWinxy (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

image of alexander (i.e. irl photograph)

technodad has posted many photos, stories, and other information regarding his son on reddit, and according to Answer 2 at the top of the talk page...

A2: Wikipedia does not want to use images that are not free. There are certain exceptions, but until someone who has a photo of Alexander releases a photo of his face, the article's photo will remain as his YouTube channel logo.

So would the pictures on reddit qualify to be posted in the infobox, or at least in a gallery section at the end?

for example, the appearance photo on wikitubia, with alex/techno as a best man at a wedding would be a good irl photo to add?

cory (talk) 21:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so since his dad would own the copyright (Even if he never explicitly says it). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

By until someone who has a photo of Alexander releases a photo of his face it means "releases it under a compatible license" not "releases it onto the internet", because there's still a copyright on the photo unless specifically released under an appropriate license. - Aoidh (talk) 21:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Change some things.

Change "In another series of videos, beginning with "The Great Potato War", he tried to gather the highest amount of potatoes in the Hypixel minigame Skyblock. to "In another trilogy of videos, beginning with "The Great Potato War", he tried to gather the highest collection of potatoes in Hypixel Skyblock.

It feels wrong to call Skyblock a minigame, as it is Hypixel's most popular gamemode by far. 2603:8081:8900:55FC:F4CB:DF8C:6BF8:5293 (talk) 15:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I believe "minigame" refers to Skyblock being a minigame in the context of Minecraft-- a game within a game. In that context all of the games on Hypixel are minigames.

I'm personally okay with "minigame" because unfortunately, just removing "minigame" doesn't work because not explaining what Hypixel Skyblock is would be confusing. (The initial GA review for this article criticized it for having too much Hypixel jargon e.g. not explaining pig rank.) The only other option I can think of is "gamemode" but I don't think that's understandable to non-gamers either (and might be confused with Minecraft's actual gamemodes). But if anyone can think of a better phrase feel free to suggest it. Blue Edits (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense, but what about the potato thing? In the game, he wasn't technically trying to raise his AMOUNT of potatoes, but the potato collection. They are two different things, because collection is what matters, and that only increases if you farm potatoes or collect potato minions. Buying potatoes would not add to the collection, but would add to the amount of potatoes you have. It's fine to not put this in, because maybe people who don't play the game wouldn't understand. Also, as to the minigame thing, Hypixel has a section of actual minigames with like a hundred players each, while I'm pretty sure Skyblock has thousands of players all the time. Google says "A minigame is a short game often contained within another video game.", and while it is contained within another video game, the video game being Minecraft, it certainly is not short at all, which is why it as categorized in Hypixel itself, as a Consistent game or something. Hypixel implies that you need to play it a lot basically. Google also says that "A minigame contains different gameplay elements, and is often smaller or more simplistic, than the game in which it is contained.", however Skyblock is a LOT more complicated than normal Minecraft, having thousands more items, plus nearly all the elements of a singleplayer game. In my opinion, I think it well earns the title of gamemode. Maybe call it a "gamemode within the popular Minecraft server Hypixel" so there is no confusion. 2603:8081:8900:55FC:F4CB:DF8C:6BF8:5293 (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

"Maybe call it a "gamemode within the popular Minecraft server Hypixel" so there is no confusion." that has issues with WP:NPOV. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

This is from a neutral point of view, as Hypixel has been one of Minecraft's most popular and well known servers for years. If you disagree, you could just remove the "popular" part. 2603:8081:8900:55FC:F4CB:DF8C:6BF8:5293 (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay, taking into account a) phrasing of "minigame" and b) the potato thing (I checked the NY Times source and it does refer to producing the highest number of potatoes, not just having or gathering the highest number of potatoes), how's this: "In another series of videos, beginning with "The Great Potato War", he tried to produce the highest amount of potatoes in the Hypixel gamemode Skyblock".

(Hypixel being a Minecraft server is already explained in the same paragraph, so no need to explain what it is twice.) Blue Edits (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah that works perfectly! 2603:8081:8900:55FC:DC48:5AA2:9D34:FFD1 (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Done! Blue Edits (talk) 16:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I understand the concerns about calling Skyblock (and other Hypixel offerings) a minigame. Another way of explaining Hypixel's product is that it is a development fork of Minecraft, i.e. a different game (or set of games) built from a previous version of Minecraft and following a separate product roadmap to the official game. WaggersTALK 10:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

technoblade has a totem of undying

47.221.157.28 (talk) 04:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 04:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Alexander

Every source I found, including his own channel's viral YouTube video about his passing, state his name only as Alex. Is the fact that his whole name is Alexander verifiable? See: sources in article,

BhamBoi (talk) 00:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@BhamBoi: See this archive of his official website (the obituary image might take a bit to load). The current website is now showing some password-protected event, and I'm not sure what that's about. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for that! BhamBoi (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Alexander or Alex?

We have had this discussion before on this talk page but I guess it needs to be reiterated. While many of the sources used for the article refer to Technoblade as simply "Alex", his personal website run by his family begins (well technically began because there is some timer thing on it now) by stating "Alexander "Technoblade" 1999-2022". I am fully aware Wikipedia runs on secondary citations, but there's no reason his website shouldn't work for a name citation and nothing more. Johnson524 (Talk!) 02:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

The website can be used per WP:ABOUTSELF as it is his official website. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 03:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

small little edit

Is youtube putting the Technoblade Never Dies easter egg when u type in technoblade in the search bar something that should be mentioned in the tributes section? TTTTRZON (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

If it's covered by a reliable source, yes. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 02:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

pretty sure all you need to do is type in technoblade TTTTRZON (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:RS, which describes what a reliable source is. I did a cursory search and couldn't find coverage, but feel free to look deeper. Blue Edits (talk) 09:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

It's been a while, but I'd like to chime in on what the original editor called an "easter egg" and what is more likely a "happy little accident" thanks to YouTube's auto-correction algorithms.

As the main article mentions, YouTube released their own obituary-esque video titled "Technoblade Never Dies". That video got who knows how many views thanks to several factors, and as a result, the title of that video has influenced YouTube's search query auto-correction such that all it takes is typing "Technoblade" to get the "Did you mean: Technoblade never dies" text.

TL;DR: Oversight from the original engineers behind YouTube's query auto-correction algorithm led to a happy little accident—not an easter egg. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 04:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Technoblade's Death Date

His official obituary states that he had passed away on the 10th of June, 2022. Currently, the wiki states that he had died in June, without any date, which is vague. 223.178.211.57 (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Where is his "official obituary" published, and who wrote it? Can you provide a link to it? Cullen328 (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to quote several sentences from WP:TRUTH (and hopefully this will serve as a catch-all response to anyone else who claims to know Technoblade's exact date of death):

In other cases, accuracy itself is under dispute: a certain question may indeed have a true answer, but nobody knows what it is yet, so a lack of complete information leads to people supporting a variety of possible answers.

[...]

The stance of Wikipedia on such things is to avoid giving undue weight to such minority ideas, and represent instead the current state of understanding of a topic.

[...]

Wikipedia only reports what the reliable sources say; it does not publish what its editors just believe is true.

To tie this quote into the case of Technoblade's date of death: yes, there were certain pieces of his personal information being leaked by certain unnamed individuals outside of Wikipedia during June and July 2022—especially after his death was announced. Yes, it's true that his exact date of death was revealed through unscrupulous means. Streisand effect aside, there is no intention to include that information anywhere in the main article until someone (most likely a member of Technoblade's family) confirms Technoblade's date of death—and subsequently fulfills the reliable source necessary to include that date of death in the main article. That's why (as of writing this) there are multiple invisible comments in the main article that explicitly instruct editors to keep his date of death to "June 2022". Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 05:48, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

"Holding" his plaque

The caption and FAQ both talk about Technoblade holding his Youtube plaque in the Technoblade_in_hospital_in_2022.webp photo, but he's clearly not holding it. Where did this wording come from? Is there consensus against changing it? HerrWaus (talk) 17:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if there is consensus against changing this as the hidden note says to open a talk page discussion about the caption, however I do agree that it's inaccurate as he isn't holding it. @RayDeeUx: pinging the user who added that hidden note ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Must've typed that while on one of my editing sprees. Am willing to change caption to "Technoblade with his subscriber plaque". @HerrWaus: + @Blaze Wolf:, thoughts? Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 21:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Good enough for me! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I was going to change it to exactly that myself soon, as I'm pretty sure the note to not change it was just about not saying the photo was taken in hospital. HerrWaus (talk) 21:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. HerrWaus (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Technoblade fans and beliefs.

Many Technoblade fans wouldn't believe he's gone (Me too). It would be a good thing to add to the article. And the fact that millions of people cried and were shocked even the haters. Fans believe he's risen up to heaven to take over the kingdom of god (even though he's an atheist, he revealed it). That will be an good thing to add to the article wouldn't it. I'm not pressuring though. You can do if you feel like it. What do you think? 151.71.188.250 (talk) 07:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@151.71.188.250 And he is also known mostly as "

Techno" or "The blood god" not "Technothepig" 151.71.229.195 (talk) 17:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Have these beliefs been covered in reliable sources? E.g is there an article from a reputable news source talking about these?

Otherwise without significant coverage these beliefs will just not be included in the article. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 17:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@A diehard editor It's just a saying. His famous saying "Technoblade never dies". Fans say this in tributes and all. That's ok. It doesn't need to be in the article. Just wanted to say because it's a fun thing to know. Sorry for wasting your time. Hope you have a great day. 151.71.229.195 (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry, it wasn't a waste of my time. I don't mind. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 07:34, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

@151.71.229.195 Technothepig is his Twitter name. 151.71.229.195 (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Sarcoma

Why are there notes under the type of cancer Alex died from when it has been stated multiple times by SFA and Alex's father that he died of sarcoma? The only thing we don't know is what type of sarcoma Alex died from. Either these notes should be completely removed or they should be changed to "an unspecified type of sarcoma". The Government is here (talk) 10:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I set the framework of that (foot)note some months ago. It was written before the SFA press release was taken into account, and since then remains in the article as-is to acknowledge the lack of consensus between news sources shortly after Technoblade's death, but before the SFA press release was written. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 14:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Since we now know Alex's death was from Sarcoma and not some "unspecified" type of cancer, these notes can be removed; changed to "unspecified type of sarcoma". The Government is here (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Mild amounts of housekeeping

In a bit of a time crunch, but I wanted to drop these two potential sources and ask if they'll add anything substantial to the main article:

— https://dailyiowan.com/2023/04/30/technoblade-never-dies-former-university-of-iowa-student-and-youtuber-remembered-after-death/ (Potential citation for the college Technoblade attended, new section)

— https://www.curesarcoma.org/technoblade-courage-award-at-new-york-gala/ (Technoblade SFA Courage award, to go under 'Reactions' heading)

Let me know how viable these sources are to the main article. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 16:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Just fyi, we're currently considering the reliability of the Daily Iowan in the section below this. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2023

Technoblade has went to the University of Iowa as a creative writing major Choqi3 (talk) 14:32, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callmemirela 🍁 15:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Is dailyiowan not a reliable source? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks like a blog to me. Callmemirela 🍁 15:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the main page, it appears to be a the University of Iowa's student newspaper. So it's not necessarily a blog, but I'm not sure what that means for the source. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

You're right. On my mobile, the source translates to looking like a blog. Callmemirela 🍁 15:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I've removed my response for someone to review the request in case I don't do it. Callmemirela 🍁 15:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

 Question: in what year? M.Bitton (talk) 17:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Appears to be 2018, according to the linked source: It was revealed through a photo posted to Reddit by Mr. Technodad on Nov. 19, 2022, that Technoblade attended the UI in 2018. Tollens (talk) 17:11, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Note: As the reliability of this source is disputed, it would be easiest if you could provide an unambiguously reliable one. Alternatively, we might need to have an extended discussion about the reliability of student newspapers, if that has not occurred elsewhere on Wikipedia already. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Given the discussion below, I'm closing the request for now. Callmemirela 🍁 19:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I believe that the source given should be fine, as it's the university themselves saying that someone went to that university. There's also a post on Reddit from Technoblade's father with Technoblade appearing in front of the University of Iowa, as well as a comment from Technoblade's father which says the name of the university. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Given the discussion, I think a consensus for this source, or an alternate source, is needed before proceeding with the edit request. Aoidh (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023

In the detail panel, it says that he is known for "Dream SMP", however that is not what he is primarily known for. He is much more known for either "Minecraft PVP" or "Minecraft" in general. 173.181.77.108 (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 02:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2023

Requesting the "known for" detail to include the potato war, as well as the bedwars win streak record on hypixel. Johng3587 (talk) 14:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

And the Minecraft Mondays. We can not forget about Minecraft Mondays. 5.187.132.203 (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Legacy

why does none of the article discuss more of Techno's legacy? what he achieved, what he managed to do? why does it only really mention his diagnosis and death, when he was so much more than that? surely it should talk more about SMP Earth or the DSMP, or MCC and Minecraft Monday? Where the phrase 'Technoblade never dies' even comes from?Scrambledeggss (talk) 22:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Scrambledeggss; unfortunately those types of things, while known to his fans, are hard to have make sense on an encyclopedia. While many of his fans see what he did on those minecraft servers/events to be quite an achievement, it's hard to explain in an encyclopedic way without bias or missing details that could cause confusion for people who don't have prior knowledge of him. If you want to add to the legacy section, please feel free to do so. I'd recommend look over Help:Getting started, WP:NPOV, and the WP:MOS. As the page is currently locked right now, please either make some edits elsewhere to gain the autoconfirmed user right, or submit an edit request. Tantomile (talk) 07:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Update

He is at 16.3 million subscribers now, this page still says 16.2. Can we update this please? He is also known for much more than the Dream smp. Can we add that he is alsk known as the Potato king and Blood god, as well as the fact he is known for the great potato war and many other things such as raising thousands of dollars for the sarcoma foundation. Thank you BundleofChaos (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

subscriber count update is  Done. You may need to gain concensus for rest of your request though. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The lead says "known for his Minecraft videos" and both the Potato War and charity efforts are already in the article. Where else should it be mentioned? Blue Edits (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

please add

he died on 30th of june 2022 193.210.165.202 (talk) 19:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Technoblade/FAQ (also found at the top of this talk page) for why 30 June isn't listed; just because the video was released that day doesn't make it the date of death. - Aoidh (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

On June 1, 2023, Technoblade's father release a video tribute to Technoblade for his birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ClMro1hrXk Reallybigsunfish (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit request. As you can see in the source text of the main article, the relevant sentence is within invisible text in raw wikitext form. It will remain as such until a non-primary source (besides MrTechnodad and preferably a reputable/reliable news site) acknowledges the video's existence, such that the citation will comply with Wikipedia's reliable source policies. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 23:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Identification

His full name was Alexander Marshall Gray-Spight. [13][14] Hubbenobo (talk) 20:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Please read the talk page's FAQ section to learn more about personally identifying information regarding Technoblade, and why such information is not currently in the main article at this time. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 15:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2023

Add this section: 'The One of Us Global Foundation' was started by Technoblade's dad, in memory of Alexander.. Along with this, the Festival of Voices, a Minecraft event that many of Technoblade's friends took part in, raised $80,000 for the newly created Foundation. Bumpjammy (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: While there is in invisible sentence addressing the Festival of Voices, there is currently a lack of reliable, non-primary sources available as citations to support these claims. Until such reliable sources surface, it will remain invisible. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 19:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

References

Can we remove the part where it says that he died on the date of 30 June?

As seen in tommyinnit's (a close friend of techno) video called "365 days without Technoblade" he last dmed tommy on discord thanking him for being his friend on June 9th, meaning the date of death being June 30th is unlikely. Can we make the date of death more compressed and have it around June 9th? LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! You are correct that it should not say June 30th-- the consensus is that it should just say June since we don't have further details. That said, I don't see where it says June 30th on the article right now. Blue Edits (talk) 16:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

The article has been maintaining the "June 2022" date of death for quite some time now, especially with the invisible wikitext, edit notices, talk page FAQs, and edit protection levels in place as of writing this reply. This date of death will remain as-is until there is a confirmation about Technoblade's precise date of death from a reliable source (most likely from his immediate blood-bound family), and any attempts to revise the date of death without a reliable source will be reverted swiftly.

This should go without saying, but unfortunately, Discord messages from any context are several light-years away from meeting Wikipedia's reliable source policy. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 14:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2023

In the tributes section, Ph1LzA’s statue he built in honor of Technoblade in his hardcore world could potentially be added alongside the photo of TommyInnit’s tribute from his live show. It is a photo of a sword draped in Technoblade’s cape shown in his Minecraft skin with a crown. TommyInnit’s tribute video in honor of the one year anniversary of Technoblade’s death entitled “365 Days Without Technoblade” should be added. He uploaded the video on June 30th, 2023. 2603:7000:D93E:E59C:3CC6:2E39:C0AE:5114 (talk) 06:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. More specifically, in addition to this requiring a reliable source, it is unclear just what it is you are proposing to add. Is it an image with a proposed caption? Is it specific language to be added to a paragraph (or in a paragraph on its own)? etc. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 03:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

10th?

58.171.175.179 (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

In the incredibly unlikely event that you find this reply, please guide your eyes to the top of this talk page, where you'll find precisely why the main article has omitted Technoblade's exact date of death (despite the URL you have provided). Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 20:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)