Talk:Mario Kart Wii

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Former good article nomineeMario Kart Wii was a Video games good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 17, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
May 23, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
March 16, 2022Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

What Next?[edit]

Looking through this article, I cannot find any changes that need to be made. What should be done next on this article? PerryPerryD (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PerryPerryD: You could possibly request a GAN. Usually they'll be able to find any changes that should be made that you didn't catch (and if they don't find any, the article will become a GA). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And so I did. PerryPerryD (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: Sounds good. Hopefully if it's immediately declined they say the reason why it was declined because I currently don't see much wrong. It was previously given a GAN (which it failed) back in 2008 so I'd definitely say it's time for a new one. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, MarioKart Wii really doesnt fit Sports and Recreation as much as it does Video games. PerryPerryD (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where you're getting the "Sports and Recreation" part from. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At the top of this page, "Mario Kart Wii was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee..." --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh that's interesting. WOnder if that's just an old categorization of GAN's (unless they still are categorized like that, I'm unfamiliar with GAN since I haven't done one yet). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I feel that adding a section about the speedrunning scene of this game is all I can think of. Like are any of these any sources enough for something like that?: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination[edit]

PerryPerryD, for future reference: when you nominate an article for GA, and you aren't the top or highest contributor to it, it's good practice to alert the users who are (you can see so here). Pinging Cat's Tuxedo, and ThomasO1989 if they haven't noticed already, the article's tied shared editors. Panini! • 🥪 18:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I only really did some work on the Reception section, and even then not a complete job. Giving my two cents on the issue, I would agree that the nomination is premature on account of the nominator's inexperience and lack of a significant role in the page's current state. And even that aside, the page is far from ready for a GAN, being insufficiently sourced in the gameplay and development areas. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I asked earlier what work needed to be done to the article, I am going to assume that you simply didn't notice it yet, but if these issues were brought up to me prior to the GAN, I would have not begun the GAN Process.
As for your comment @Panini!, Thank you for your support and advice here. The date of joining on my profile does not at all match my experience, (Mostly due to a 1-year editing block), So I appreciate your kindness and support here
. I'm not the smartest person, and i apologize to anyone I may have annoyed with these screw-ups. I am trying to be better at editing, and i really appreciate you not lashing out at me over it. So, thank you both. Cheers. PerryPerryD 20:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Cat's Tuxedo hehe me stupid, forgot to mention you too. PerryPerryD 20:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PerryPerryD, I see the discussion above you're referring to now; I must've accidentally skipped it! Talk pages for specific articles are usually not the best way to reach out to users unless people are active on the current article or have it watchlisted. For future reference, you can bring concerns up to the WP:VG talk page, or Wikipedia's unofficial Discord server, both of which are where you can find numerous highly active video game editors.
As for your article concerns; I see a lot of issues, and since I'm working on other projects at the moment I'll leave you with some general advice, to begin with:
  • Expansion: This is just a hunch, but I think it's safe to assume this article currently is not fully comprehensive of everything out there. This was a really big deal as far as I'd assume, but the Legacy section only talks about a single mod? I find it hard to believe that this is the only example of the game's mark on society. Do a quick browse online and find some new sources that you can introduce; you can use this custom search engine to make things easier to do so.
  • De-cruft: A lot of the gameplay section is unsourced, and a quick look at it I can declare it's way too long and full of unnecessary info. I tried to find an example for you, and all of them are equally terrible, but the best of them is Mario Kart 8. This gameplay section goes into general explanation on what modes there are and what they do, what new features and powerups are introduced, and controller, amiibo, and other special features. This section is seven paragraphs long; see how much of it can go! Cite it, too!
  • Reception: See WP:RECEPTION for more details on how to make it even better.
Additionally, you can set up a peer review for more specific help. Panini! • 🥪 20:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Panini!: I was the one who recommended they nominate this article for GA. I didn't see any immediate issues and since they said they didn't see anything else wrong I assumed it would be just fine. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Panini!. Ok, literally how are you not a Wikipedia admin, you have been extremely professional, helpful, resourceful, and kind. I really really appreciate your help. Thank you so much. PerryPerryD 21:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Administrator positions are given to users who specialize in background or technical work, and giving them special permissions would benefit their productivity in the field. Currently, I don't do too much fancy work like that (besides being active in newcomer projects) and I currently reside in content improvement. I pan on getting my hands dirty in those fields sometime in the future, though. Panini! • 🥪 21:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GAMECRUFT[edit]

Im still new to wikipedia editing, but in terms of MOS, In this instance its showing the specific NEW items that were added to this game, it does not list every item in the game. I also noticed that hyperlinks were removed without apparent reason. Also the mention of the tricks in the game, does that need to be removed? PerryPerryD 15:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93 PerryPerryD 15:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
List of tricks and non-notable in-game items should absolutely be removed per WP:GAMECRUFT. And we don't have to Wikilink every noun in the article for readability reasons per WP:SEAOFBLUE. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, however a brief mention of them if they were new to this game is perfectly fine. Just don't go into too much detail. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 17:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will be working on this over the weekend. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:David Fuchs Hello! Do you still plan on performing this review? PerryPerryD 04:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@David Fuchs Hello, It has been 7 days. Any updates on this review? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overall the article is a solid start for GA, but it needs a lot of work to get it over the finish line. Thoughts as follows.

  • Prose:
    • The lead doesn't do a great job summarizing the entire article. Why is the first sentence treated as its own paragraph?
    • The prose is pretty rough throughout; a lot of clunky phrasing, and using a lot more words than necessary to say the same thing, e.g. The speaker on the Wii Remote is frequently used during gameplay, with sound effects being emitted from it. could be rewritten as The speaker on the Wii Remote plays sound effects during gameplay. It also sometimes feels like it's veering into editorializing or giving a voice, such as Mario Kart Wii had sold over a million copies in Japan alone
    • The reception section spends almost as much time detailing rankings and lists as it does spending time on detailing aspects of the game; a lot of this could be trimmed or summarized better.
    • Likewise the sales section is just a clunky repetition of dates and figures instead of summarizing it to the relevant parts.
    • What makes a fan mod worthy of its own subsection, let alone calling it a "Legacy"?
User:David Fuchs What are you suggesting here? *with the mod part i mean PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • References:
    • A lot of references are missing information in the fields (authors, publication) and are inconsistent in formatting (some use website, others use publisher or work.)
    • Did spot-checks to [ current refs] 1, 2, 4, 11, 12, 14, 15, 20, 26, 35, 48, 52, and 59, spotted some issues throughout:
      • For example, current ref 2 is used to cite the high-level overview of the gameplay, and it basically doesn't cover any of it.
      • ref 4 is used to cite Mario Kart Wii features twenty-four playable characters from the Mario series, which was the largest roster of any Mario Kart game until the release of Mario Kart 8 in 2014. The ref is from 2011, so it can't cite that last part of that statement talking about Mario Kart 8, but the reference also mentions 25 playable characters, not 24.
      • There's no source for the discontinuation of the Mario Kart Channel.
User:David Fuchs The article does not mention a discontinuation of the Mario Kart Channel?
      • Ref 19 doesn't fully support the entire statements before it (the liveblog doesn't mention details from the trailer, or the E3 details.)
      • but was rejected due to the seemingly bizarre image of Mario riding a bike—this really goes beyond what the source states.
      • Other parts of the gameplay section are just not referenced at all, e.g. which include both karts and bikes, are available in Mario Kart Wii, each of which has different properties that affect how the vehicle handles while driving. Half the characters and vehicles are initially unavailable to the player; certain objectives must be completed to unlock each one., While driving, the player collects power-ups from item boxes placed in various points on the track. These power-ups allow the player to attack opponents, causing them to slow down or spin out of control; defend against such attacks, or gain boosts in speed. These include the series staple items, such as the Mushroom, Koopa Shell projectiles, the Super Star, banana peels and lightning bolts., etc.
    • The life-to-date numbers last-published date was updated and that's not reflected in the article.
  • Media:
David Fuchs I disagree with this one. The file is in a low resolution and is used for demonstration purposes only once in the article, following the fair use policy.
@David Fuchs: I think I've fixed it. Let me know if there is still anything else that needs adjusting in the non-free use rationale. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given that there were many referencing slip-ups and the gameplay section needs a fairly substantial overhaul and to be properly cited that I don't think are a good fit for the timeframe of a GA review, I'm closing the article at present. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@David FuchsThank you for your review. this will be used to improve this article greatly in the coming days. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant word without added value in lead section[edit]

Please explain why the phrasing without that word is grammatically incorrect. The assertion alone doesn't do anyone any good.

The accusation of 3RR makes no sense at all in this context, I merely reverted your unexplained revert 1 time and asked why you think this word is needed there.

And how would it confuse readers? Please explain, thank you.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 04:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And is one of the best-selling video games of all time with over 37 million copies sold vs And IT is one of the best-selling video games of all time with over 37 million copies sold. And is feels un-natural in the sentance structure context. Ignore my 3rr comment as I was tired and forgot how counting works PerryPerryD Talk To Me 03:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mods and CTGP[edit]

I feel like the part that is talking about CTGP is a bit too centered on this specific modpack. Whilst it is most certainly the biggest modpack there is, there is also a bunch of other mods that do not come with this distribution. I would change the text to say something like The game has gained a second life thanks to mods, with the most popular one being the distribution CTGP Revolution (and then continuing to explain CTGP), instead of directly talking about CTGP. I'm fairly new too wiki editing and unsure if I could make this into a proper edit, but I feel like this had to be adressed. --MystiiFlareon2 (talk) 11:52, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All versions bundled with Wii Wheel?[edit]

The lead section says that "Each copy of the game was bundled with the Wii Wheel accessory", whereas the "Wheel" subsection of the "Development" section states that it was only included "with some versions of the game".-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"List of Characters and Races of Mario Kart Wii" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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"Coconut Mall theme" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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"Wii kart" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Glitches/shortcuts[edit]

Should information at the 'ultra shortcuts' be added onto this page? Or other infamous glitches? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 02:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, unless notability is established through reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a game guide. -- ThomasO1989 (talk) 08:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are any of these sources I mentioned reliable? Or even make this glitch notable for just a mention? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How about this [6] article. Is this reliable? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.polygon.com/2021/1/14/22230905/mario-kart-wii-rainbow-road-speedrun-ultra-shortcut-arthur

https://www.eurogamer.net/after-tens-of-thousands-of-attempts-mario-kart-fan-finally-pulls-off-ultra-rainbow-road-shortcut

https://screenrant.com/mario-kart-player-rainbow-road-shortcut/

Are these sources reliable? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 02:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How about this one? [7] NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 07:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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