Talk:List of highest paved roads in Europe

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Number 10 should be the Timmelsjoch, as at 2509m it is 5m higher than the Grossglockner Hochalpenstrass at 2504m.

List of highest paved roads in Europe[edit]

Should be renamed List of highest paved roads in Europe, and therefore include Sierra Nevada in Spain, where the highest road is. Similar lists are usually based on Europe, not only a part of it. --BIL (talk) 10:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unpaved roads[edit]

Some of the roads of this list are probably not paved to the altitude mentioned. I'm fairly certain that Col du Parpaillon is not paved and this photo (and a few more) is from Pico del Veleta, so probably it's not paved up to the summit. 62.37.173.136 (talk) 17:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From what I see here, the Veleta summit itself (3394 m) is not paved, but the road continues up to about 3380 m. The final stretch (beyond 3267 m according to the website) is in bad condition. It looks like it's paved, but covered with landslides. The pictures you found are probably from the pass road to the south (Capileira), that's a dirt road indeed (I hiked part of it).Markussep ^Talk 10:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As regards the Pico Veleta road from the Granada (North) side, when I climbed it in 2012 it was perfectly paved (and opened to traffic) until ~2500m (Hoya de la Mora), paved but poorly maintained until ~3300m, and the final part of the climb was a trail where I didn't notice any trace of pavement. Wikiwanito (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This can also be checked in Google Earth: the color changes slightly below 3300 metres, near the ski lift upper station. And you can see a photo of the exact location here. ZachG (Talk) 16:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Abano Pass doesn't look paved (at all !) according to the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3In8cSaJUQ0 Wikiwanito (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Klammljoch is not paved on either side for the highest 5-10km. Verified by personal experience. Should be removed from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durrin (talk • contribs) 21:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Roki Tunnel[edit]

In the article there is a Roki Pass at more than 3000m. Should we had it in the list ? There is also the Mamison Pass. Zil (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Autoroutes[edit]

This list appears to ignore passes crossed by motorways. In France, for example, the A75 autoroute twice goes over 1,100 metres: at the Col de la Fageole between junctions 26 and 27 (1,107 m) and the Col des Issartets between junctions 36 and 37 (1,121 m.). Both passes are also crossed by the former Route nationale 9. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tignes Val Claret[edit]

The entry for Tignes Val Claret appears to be broken. I am not expert in this. If somebody is, could they please fix it? — Robert Greer (talk) 18:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Height cut-off[edit]

Currently the height cut-off is 1200 metres. I think it should be raised to around 2000 metres otherwise we will never be able to list all the roads. In the Alps, for instance, there are countless towns and villages between 1200 and 2000 m such as St. Moritz, Davos, Livigno (all of them having many distinct streets [1]). Above 2000 m you will find Juf and Saint-Véran, but they are exceptions and they have only a single street so they are not a problem. Europe has also many other high mountain regions: the Pyrenees, the Apennine Mountains, the Balkan Mountains, the Caucasus Mountains, all very populated... ZachG (Talk) 13:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now the list has a little more than 150 entries (above 2000 m). I added a few roads but many Alpine roads in Italy, Austria and France are still missing (this website might be helpful to find most of them), so I expect a total number of roads between 200 and 300. Using the data we have, I made an extrapolation (of an exponential fit) of the number of paved roads. Here is what I found:

Cut-off	Min	Max
2000 m	200	300
1800 m	500	750
1600 m	1200	1800
1400 m	3000	4500
1200 m	7000	10000
1000 m	16000	24000
0 m	1-2 million

Hope this helps! ZachG (Talk) 16:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Entries below 2000 metres definitively removed (diff). Zach (Talk) 14:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant unilateral changes made by Zacharie_Grossen[edit]

I don't think a single user can delete more than a hundred roads of the list just because he thinks the cut-off is too low. I think such decisions should be agreed and, as far as I know, nobody else explicitly agreed to change the cut-off. In fact, one user explicitly disagreed and restored the original version but was ignored by Zacharie_Grossen (as well as he ignored what other users -like Wikimanito or Markussep- said about the Veleta road). Therefore, as it seems there's an user that acts unilaterally and ignoring other users' points of view, opinions and even facts when they don't agree with what he thinks, I'm going to ask how to act in these cases and I won't make any contribution to this article if there aren't guarantees it'll be deleted and/or corrected just if it has some wrong info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aguarda (talk • contribs) 16:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Road A158 south of Europe's highest mountain Elbrus[edit]

By looking at Google Earth at N43.266 E42.4752 it looks like the paved part of road A158 ends in Azau at arount 2360m just West of Terskol. Which the Panoramia pictures from the town also show.

It is the highest paved road I found in the neighborhood of mountain Elbrus but some of the images are very poor or is covered with snow.

I know it is not an accurate source but maybe others could investigate it because the list lacks any roads near the highest mountain. Agerskov (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ötztal Glacier Road[edit]

Why are there two entries of the Ötztal Glacier Road here? One at third rank (at 2836 m) and one at fifteenth rank (between 2552 and 2535 m). Bobbylon (talk) 20:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arcalís - change Navigation popup[edit]

Would someone please change the Navigation popup for Arcalís (2.240 m)? The current one shows the preview for a star with the same name; there is no English page for this place in Andorra. See the disambiguation page: Arcalis_(disambiguation) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BernieM (talk • contribs) 14:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of List of the highest roads in Scotland into List of highest paved roads in Europe[edit]

I'm not convinced of the notability of this page either, but we should not have a list of these for every country, especially considering that 2198 feet is not that high in the grand scheme of things. Rs chen 7754 02:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose; Scotland is fine where it is, and would be out of place, unbalancing the target if merged. Klbrain (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The idea would be to pare down the Scotland listing. As it is, this violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE. --Rs chen 7754 16:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like this is now redundant, there no longer being a List of the highest roads in Scotland ... Klbrain (talk) 15:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]