Talk:List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements/Archive 1

Archive 1

Do we need the gallery?

I don't think a few pictures really adds that much to the article. David O. Johnson (talk) 05:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

New Biden Union Endorsements in the past 24 Hours - June 16th

Hello,

More unions seem to have endorsed President Biden in the past 24 hours. This information was initially found on a Tweet Thread independent Democratic-based Twitter Account.[1]

The following Unions have given endorsements to Biden based on their owned news articles. Some, thus possibly All also have given Twitter Endorsements (unsourced & unknown; suggested to look up). See Below for endorsements with respective sources numbered (Wikipedia Formatted):

The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations - The AFL-CIO [2]

The American Federation of Teachers - The AFT [3]

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees - The AFSCME [4]

The American Federation of Government Employees - The AFGE [5]

The National Nurses United - The NNU [6]

The Communications Workers of America - The CWA [7]

The Actors' Equity Association - The AEA [8]

Multiple other Unions have been thought to have given their endorsements to Biden. I myself will put them in the replies of my; this specific topic when they are found, contributing to the research of endorsements you the editor(s) find as well. (Possible yet unknwon amalgamated endorsement of and for other unions found on the same source as the AFL-CIO source: here[9].)

That is all that is found, some errors may or may not be found here. It is of course suggested to add this into the endorsements list. It is Requested moreover to add the people/membership number of each Union, which is already how the Unions' endorsements have been shown in this Wikipedia Article.

Thanks for your time reading this, and Thank You in advance for adding these suggestions. Wang Dynasty (talk) 08:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:ENDORSE and Twitter

Just want to remind editors endorsements listed should follow policy and that means tweet endorsements alone are not enough to list a person. You need another source. However, tweet endorsements from official accounts are acceptable for organizations. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't that fall under the WP:ABOUTSELF exception? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Victoria Reggie Kennedy

The article that is cited for the endorsement by Victoria Reggie Kennedy is paywalled, so I can't see exactly what it says. My understanding is that the Hatch Act would prohibit a current ambassador from expressing a direct political campaign endorsement, so the assertion that she endorsed Biden seems dubious (e.g. see the mentions of Julian Castro, Michael D. Griffin, and Nikki Haley in the Hatch Act article). What, exactly, did she do or say? I note that Pete Buttigieg was included here for a while despite the cited source (which also violates WP:FOXNEWSPOLITICS) saying he "stopped short of endorsing the president". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Hatch Act

I think it'd be beneficial to come to an agreement in regards to the Hatch Act. While I could be wrong, it seems like we could count current appointed federal officials as having endorsed candidates due to this allowance within the Hatch Act:

"What is permitted outside the workplace and off duty? Employees may: Express opinions about candidates and issues. If the expression is political activity, however – i.e., activity directed at the success or failure of a political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan political group – then the expression is not permitted while the employee is on duty, in any federal room or building, while wearing a uniform or official insignia, or using any federally owned or leased vehicle."

So, them saying they'd endorse while in the white house or federal building would be in violation, however, at their own home or separate from their work, It should not be a violation+allowed.

We had plenty of current (at the time) federal officials in the 2020 Trump endorsement list using this understanding.

Unless I'm missing something, this is how we apply appointed federal officials. Tipsyfishing (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Per the Office of Special Counsel, most federal executive branch officials may:

• “Campaign for or against candidates in partisan elections
• Make campaign speeches for candidates in partisan elections
• Distribute campaign literature in partisan elections
• Volunteer to work on a partisan political campaign
• Express opinions about candidates and issues” while not on the job. [10]

I think it’s clear we can include current executive branch employees’ endorsements if they make their endorsements while off the job. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring

There is an edit war, or at least a substantial disagreement on content, that is currently brewing on this page. In order to avoid escalating this to ANI, I would like to attempt to negotiate a truce.

Hatch Act

As per the conversation above, it's pretty clear that the Hatch Act does not fully ban sitting cabinet members from making endorsements. Therefore, endorsements like Buttigeg, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, etc. can be listed.

Fox News

I added additional sources to several endorsements where the only citation was a Fox News article, since Wikipedia does not generally accept Fox News as a reliable source on politics. However, I could not find another source for Tim Kaine or Jack Reed's endorsements. We could either keep those endorsements with the current tag, or remove them entirely.

Bill Clinton

The only sources I can find with relation to Clinton endorsing Biden are the fact that he is doing a fundraiser with him. While this likely means he endorses him, that's not enough to include him on this page.

Vladimir Putin

Putin stated a preference for Biden over Trump, which is not a primary endorsement. We could include him in a general election article, subject to further discussion. I created a draft at Draft:List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign endorsements. However, I think we should not include him on this page.

Olaf Scholz

The cited source differs between saying that Scholz a preference for Biden over Trump and saying Scholz endorses Biden for re-election. It's a little less clear than Putin. I don't really have an opinion on this, but I would strongly advise the IP to read WP:POINT.

Hope this helps!

Pinging @Tipsyfishing and @41.66.96.50 @41.66.96.9 @41.66.98.46 @41.66.96.54 @199.8.13.120 ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 05:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Agree to all the above.

With the Tim Kaine and Jack Reed endorsement, the fox news page cites a daily caller article, which in of itself is not accepted as a reliable source, all others are tangential. Leave it with the tag instead full removal IMO. Tipsyfishing (talk) 01:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)