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Spelling: British or US English?
@Femkemilene, you just reverted an edit I made that changes one isolated instance of "vapour" to US spelling "vapor" which is what the rest of the article uses (20+ other instances of the word.) Granted, I did not notice the "Use British English" template here on the talkpage, so my bad. But the template also doesn't square with the US spelling "vapor" currently being used in the whole article.
@EMsmile it appears that you were the one who applied {{British English}} template, but there was no discussion held, and the question mark in your edit summary indicates you did it with some uncertainty. That happened at around the same time as this edit, where it can be observed that "vapor" is used throughout the article except in a citation (which left the original "vapour" as-is). So it is far from clear that there is/was a consensus to use UK spelling.
I do not have a preference either way, but how do we go about making things consistent throughout? Both in terms of spelling within the article, and to reflect that in the spelling template applied? Is there a bot or tool that can assist with this?
Cheers, 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies. The 2021 version was US English, and the first nonstub version too, so that banner should not have been placed. (policy WP:ENGVAR) . Femke (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up! 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing this up. Sorry that I wrongly applied the British template here, I couldn't see a clear preference for either language version at the time, and thus felt British template would be fine going forwards, given that many of the articles that WikiProject Climate Change team members work on are British English. More broadly, we had a discussion about it here at the WikiProject Climate Change talk page which I feel was not 100% resolved but moved to the archive nevertheless. Perhaps we could pull it out of the archive and continue? NB I don't have a strong preference either way but I think it's nice to be consistent not just within the article but also for similar articles (if nothing speaks against it as per WP:ENGVAR), e.g. all the articles on "effects of climate change on ..." and "climate change in country X" are currently in British English which I think is good. Whereas the vast majority of the articles that WikiProject Medicine deals with are in American English. EMsmile (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- It was a bit of a mix before, so the confusion is understandable. Policy indicates that you should go to the first non-stub version of the article and look at the engvar of that version. I would advise against reviving that discussion, as there seemed to be a rough consensus against change, and I think this is unlikely to change. Femke (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hmmmm, I feel that my last suggestion in that thread was left unanswered (unless I should interpret unanswered = disagreed with). This is what I had written here: "But let me ask you something: if a new Wikipedian is setting up a climate change related article for example "Climate change in Mozambique" and they say "which English variant should I use? I don't care which one and I can't make up my mind?". What do you answer? I would say "if you can't make up your mind and honestly don't mind, look at the main article of this WikiProject (climate change) and use the same English variant that that article uses". That would be my guidance. I like consistency and I like to make it easy for new Wikipedians. It would not be a hard and fast rule to follow just a broad guidance if someone is looking for guidance."EMsmile (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'd be against giving such guidance, as instruction creep like this decreases the emphasis on important guidance (like sourcing and notability). Femke (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, "guidance" is not the same as "instruction". I think guidance is useful for new editors and reduces the workload of experienced editors. Guidance is what we provide here at WikiProject Climate Change: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Climate_change#Guidelines,_tools_and_advice . But I guess the issue about language versions is always iffy so few people want to put anything down in writing about it, apart from the guidance that is at WP:ENGVAR. Anyway, I guess I'm the only one with this opinion here so I won't push it further. EMsmile (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'd be against giving such guidance, as instruction creep like this decreases the emphasis on important guidance (like sourcing and notability). Femke (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hmmmm, I feel that my last suggestion in that thread was left unanswered (unless I should interpret unanswered = disagreed with). This is what I had written here: "But let me ask you something: if a new Wikipedian is setting up a climate change related article for example "Climate change in Mozambique" and they say "which English variant should I use? I don't care which one and I can't make up my mind?". What do you answer? I would say "if you can't make up your mind and honestly don't mind, look at the main article of this WikiProject (climate change) and use the same English variant that that article uses". That would be my guidance. I like consistency and I like to make it easy for new Wikipedians. It would not be a hard and fast rule to follow just a broad guidance if someone is looking for guidance."EMsmile (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- It was a bit of a mix before, so the confusion is understandable. Policy indicates that you should go to the first non-stub version of the article and look at the engvar of that version. I would advise against reviving that discussion, as there seemed to be a rough consensus against change, and I think this is unlikely to change. Femke (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing this up. Sorry that I wrongly applied the British template here, I couldn't see a clear preference for either language version at the time, and thus felt British template would be fine going forwards, given that many of the articles that WikiProject Climate Change team members work on are British English. More broadly, we had a discussion about it here at the WikiProject Climate Change talk page which I feel was not 100% resolved but moved to the archive nevertheless. Perhaps we could pull it out of the archive and continue? NB I don't have a strong preference either way but I think it's nice to be consistent not just within the article but also for similar articles (if nothing speaks against it as per WP:ENGVAR), e.g. all the articles on "effects of climate change on ..." and "climate change in country X" are currently in British English which I think is good. Whereas the vast majority of the articles that WikiProject Medicine deals with are in American English. EMsmile (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up! 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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