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Episode 6[edit]

It will be titled "Never Been Kissed". This has been on the blogs for weeks, why isn't it up yet? 75.68.52.240 (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because the vast majority of blogs aren't a reliable source, suitable for verification. Frickative 22:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And it hasn't been "weeks", just ten days. Yvesnimmo (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well where do you think the blogs got it from? And jeez, i wasnt being literal, sorry. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews, tweets, thin air, etc.: anything is a possibility since it's a blog. You are welcome to start your own site with this information, but unless a reliable, verifiable source can be provided, it cannot be included on this page. Yvesnimmo (talk) 23:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That was a rhetorical question! (sort of) Wherever they got it from it must've stemmed from some type of semi-reliable source. And besides, I HIGHLY doubt it just came out of thin air. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 14:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People make up rumours all the time, particularly on forums. The short of it is, if there is a reliable source that says the title is "Never Been Kissed", we can include it. If it's just fansites, blogs and Tumblr, we can't. Frickative 14:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 15:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dot's gonna show off her pipes![edit]

http://www.tv.com/the-scoop-on-more-glee-secrets/webnews/161972.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.52.240 (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OMG! OMG! OMG![edit]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/06/the-office-glee-crossover/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.52.240 (talk) 00:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wooow, ok, take a deep relaxing breath. CTJF83 chat 11:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from TranzRail, 9 November 2010[edit]

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Please change "Series" to "Episode". Each episode is not a new series or season. It should say the episode number and the season number.

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Also, please change all the values for "EpisodeNumber2" for each episode entry to "2". This is to reflect that all the episodes are from season 2.

Episodes[edit]

See also: List of Glee episodes
Series
# 		Season
# 		Title Directed by Written by Original air date U.S. viewers
(million)
231"Audition"Brad FalchukIan BrennanSeptember 21, 2010 (2010-09-21)12.45[1]

TranzRail (talk) 03:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: "Series #" refers to the episode number in the series; "Season #" refers to the episode number of the season. "Audition" is the first episode from the second season and the twenty-third overall. Yves (talk) 03:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Porter, Rick (September 22, 2010). "Tuesday ratings breakdown: Returning shows rule". Zap2it. Tribune Media Services. Retrieved September 23, 2010.

Reception[edit]

Reviews that can be used when compiling a reception section post- or mid-season:

Yves (talk) 22:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Same Timeslot[edit]

Fox released a press release today regarding Glee's timeslot. It was reported that Glee will remain on Tuesday nights, with American Idol shifting to Wednesday and Thursdays [1]. This should be changed on this article. 192.12.88.69 (talk) 05:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taken care of KnownAlias contact 14:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, should/could the dates for the Super-bowl episode and the 8th of February episode be up-dated in the episodes' table? The reference is the same one from the timeslot change. I think it might be important to know when the show returns after its winter break. Thanks! Uete (talk) 12:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The episode is on the sixth, and is yet unnamed, so we would have nothing to fill in when adding it to the table. It might be important to know, but the information is already presented in the paragraph below the table. Yves (talk) 12:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Heh... Sorry, hadn't read the added date, though the "Wednesdays" statement should be changed to "Tuesdays" in that sentence and the reference to American Idol should be erased, I guess. Uete (talk) 12:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Cast section being messed up?[edit]

This is not my main article, but I am noticing a lot of inconsistency in this section. The first paragraph is for current main cast members only, not future main characters! Harry Shum Jr. and Darren Criss are not main characters, so please don't put them there! The second paragraph is for current guest stars, while the third paragraph is for future guest stars! As an anonymous user, I had to separate that paragraph to two paragraphs to avoid confusion as to who's in Glee and who's not in Glee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emeraldpython (talk • contribs) 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone fix it, PLEASE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.9.91 (talk) 02:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this article's sectioning was ever layed out exactly like that. Thus no "fixing" is necessary, and shouting makes me not want to oblige. I'll do some rearranging, though. Yves (talk) 03:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some rearranging and updating so that the first paragraph contains characters from the first season. Shum, Jr. was already mentioned as a supporting cast member. The second comprises recurring characters, and the third, one-episode guest appearances. The fourth was left unchanged. I think it makes sense to have the paragraphs follow this way, with the first containing the status of characters from the previous season, and to segue into new characters in the next. Yves (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Furt final ratings[edit]

Here's the final ratings for Furt: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/11/24/tuesday-finals-the-biggest-loser-sheds-a-tenth-raising-hope-gains-it/73347. Npsycko (talk) 12:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merchandise[edit]

Glee: The Music, The Love Songs will be sold at Target and the Season 2, Vol 1 DVD is to be released Jan. 25, 2011 (via Amazon). 174.61.51.100 (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, what a random release. Several of the songs aren't even love songs and one is even kind of a heartbreak song. I've added the DVD to the page. Thanks! :) Yves (talk) 02:51, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

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Please add the link to the Superbowl Page already created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.168.153 (talk • contribs)

 Done..in case you read this IP, you don't want to put the "tls" before the template, otherwise it won't show up here CTJF83 chat 13:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valentine's Day Episode[edit]

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Via Iqbal Theba's (Principal Figgins') twitter account, the title of the episode is "Silly Love Songs" and will be the 12th episode to air. 174.61.51.100 (talk) 01:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The account doesn't appear to be verified, and as such, cannot reliably be used as a source. Not to mention, he only says it is the 12th episode. Aired or produced? (The schedule suggests the 12th episode on Feb 8 would be the place for a Valentines themed episode, but assuming so would violate WP:CRYSTAL. Fox could quite possible air it on the 15th, too). KnownAlias contact 16:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done A more accurate source than a Twitter account is needed. CTJF83 chat 18:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Via TV Guide, airdate of this episode confirmed as well as one of the songs that will be performed. 174.61.51.100 (talk) 04:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Solid source on the date for the theme for that episode, as far as I'm concerned, nice going; still, an unverified Twitter account is still not a solid source for the title, and the TV Guide article doesn't mention that. Still not enough to go on, I'm afraid. KnownAlias contact 07:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further confirmation of episode title and airdate along with a synopsis on TV.com 174.61.51.100 (talk) 03:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not a valid reference as anyone can edit tv.com. CTJF83 chat 03:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More info on the DVD[edit]

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/12/glee-season-2-vol-1-dvd-bonuses-brittanys-wit-comic-con-and-more.html 75.68.52.240 (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lady GaGa's "Born This Way" to be used in gay bullying storyline, Gwyneth Paltrow's return, Kristen Chenoweth return[edit]

Via Entertainment Weekly http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/08/glee-exclusive-gwyneth-paltrow-ladygaga/ To be added to Production section? 174.61.51.100 (talk) 13:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added information from that article to this one yesterday. :) Thanks, though! Yves (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Number of episodes: 22 or 25?[edit]

We have "The series producers are still in talks with Fox to extend the length of the season to 25 episodes, rather than the customary 22." This is dated to March last year. It seems unlikely that they are "still in talks" after 12 months. Does anyone have anything definite on this? I haven't been able to find anything after that date. Barsoomian (talk) 12:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 17[edit]

It will be titled "A Night of Neglect". I saw this on examiner dot com, but it is a blocked site and I don't know why. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 23:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's because it's not a reliable source. If one does come up, we can add it. Yves (talk) 00:22, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, why is it not a reliable source? 75.68.52.240 (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's very similar to a blog, and, one can read some of their articles to find they're not very professionally written, and sometimes based on speculation or unreliable sources. There is more information at the Examiner.com website, under the "Criticism" section. Yves (talk) 17:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, the most recent article about that episode dated 2 days ago says it airs on March 22, when a reliable source, The Futon Critic, is showing a repeat of the Super Bowl episode that night. KnownAlias contact 18:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
May I have a link to the article please? 75.68.52.240 (talk) 18:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry; tried to include it before, but it was blocked by the spam filter. Just go to the site and search the title. That's all I did. KnownAlias contact 18:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, The Futon Critic is showing the next new show as airing on April 19, 2011, not April 12. (Is this considered a reliable source?) Indirect confirmation can be found on the Fox Glee Full Episodes page, which allows the most recent five episodes to be viewed. As of today (March 26), the oldest episode doesn't "expire" (won't be replaced by a new episode) for another 24 days: April 19. Not April 12, as is indicated on the "Night of Neglect" listing on this page (and on the Night of Neglect page) based on this article, which now appears to have been wrong about this particular date, though the episode title has been confirmed elsewhere. 66.189.39.37 (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 18 Title[edit]

In an interview with the NY Post, Chris Colfer (Kurt on Glee) revealed that the title of episode 18 is "Born This Way". Cory Monteith (in an interview with TV Guide) revealed that the episode is "a classic Glee episode where we explore embracing the things about ourselves that we don't like and tailoring our performances around that" and that Karofsky will come to terms with being gay ("For sure, and there's a little blackmail involved. It gets kind of heavy."). 174.61.51.100 (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Good find! Thanks, CTJF83 19:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sexually explicit vandalism[edit]

I'm new to the talk page and how to report these kinds of issues so I will use the following template that I found on a wiki page about how to handle vandalism in order to get an administrator's attention. I apologize if it's not the correct one and hope that someone else changes it to the correct one if that is the case:

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Or maybe this one:

This is your only warning; if you upload an inappropriate image again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

Point is, someone posted some very graphic sexual images all over the "Production" section of the article and all other sections below it. It is a semi-protected page so can someone please remove these awful images? Thank You. Jennell 175.193.157.10 (talk) 03:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? I can't find any evidence of vandalism anywhere on the page. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 03:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, by the time I was done writing this note, someone had already removed the images. I didn't realize it until after I had posted the message. I was like "great, now I look like the complete idiot.meh" There really were a few images there, but I guess you can disregard the warning now since it's been taken care of. That was fast though! Jennell. 175.193.157.10 (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Even looking back before today, I see no porno or any images for that matter, in the production section. CTJF83 04:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That was the weird part that I needed help with. I tried going into the history page and simply "undoing" whatever change was made that included these images but I couldn't find anything. Even in the log, no edit or change was recorded. The images were kind of hovering over the text, not really included in the paragraph, and it was the kind of motion-image that's almost like a video, so I figured it was just placed into the webpage's code or layout or somehow in a place other than directly attaching it to the article's text. I don't know much about programing though so I can't be more specific than that. But it was a very wierd situation and I couldn't just delete it myself. Either way, someone else already took care of it so they must have found the source of the problem. Jennell 175.193.157.10 (talk) 04:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note, the vandalism was to the {{'s}} template which was parsed here, you won't find any vandalism specifically in the history of this article -- and that template has now been redacted and locked. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Out of date information in Production and Cast sections[edit]

These two sections are getting long in the tooth as shows and subsequent news articles contradict earlier reported plans, or bring them to fruition. In particular:

  • Production section
    • all the current talk is for a 22-episode season, not 25, with 6 new episodes remaining to be shot and broadcast
    • the original songs episode has already happened (episode 16, "Original Song")
    • Paul McCartney's music was already featured ("Silly Love Songs", in the episode of the same name), as were two songs by the Beatles ("I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Blackbird").
  • Cast section
    • the second paragraph should mention Lauren Zizes, played by Ashley Fink; she's the only New Directions member not listed, and she should be, since she's appeared in eight straight episodes, plus a couple earlier in the season.
    • fourth paragraph: Jonathan Groff will not be appearing in season 2 after all according to Ask Ausiello: Spoilers on Glee, Bones, Castle, Fringe, Chuck, Fringe and More!, so he should be removed from this section. Cory Monteith recently told TV Guide that they're still trying to get Kristen Chenoweth; I haven't seen any news one way or the other about Idina Menzel.

I'm sure there are other places where updates would be helpful.

As the page is locked, can someone with privileges update these (and other) items?

66.189.39.37 (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like me to create a page you can edit, and then I'll review and add it accordingly? It would be easier if you just fixed what specifically needs to be fixed, then type it here and me fix it, and go back and forth. CTJF83 20:53, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Thanks. It may take me a while to check everything; the more I look at the old pre-season predictions, even by the Murphy/Falchuk/Brennan triumvirate, the more I discover places where they changed their minds. For example, the one by Murphy where he said that Rachel and Finn would be together all season... Point me to it when it's ready. 66.189.39.37 (talk) 01:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just create an account and do it yourself? It's MORE anonymous than your IP, for one thing. Otherwise, if you have any sources for the number of episodes being 25 rather than 22, please advise -- I couldn't find anything since it was "in discussion" a year ago. Barsoomian (talk) 03:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've done so, and have about 47 hours to go before I'm allowed to post directly to the page (4 days and 10 posts). I didn't have any source for 25 episodes; there have been a couple of recent ones that said there were six more episodes (therefore 22), including one of the Ausiello articles on TV Line. I was planning to strip out the 25. Then again, there's enough recent evidence of a restart of new episodes on April 19 rather than April 12 that I'd be tempted to go with it over the cited article; the definitive evidence will be when the two-weeks-in-advance Fox schedules get to the point that April 12 is published...again, about 47 hours from now. (The IP address will eventually be reassigned by my ISP.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I expect that if they had supersized the season they'd have made a fuss about it by now. As for your IP, just clicking on it tells me your ISP and their location, and harassing the ISP might get your personal details. Barsoomian (talk) 05:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Opps, sorry, forgot about this, I'll create User:BlueMoonset/Glee that you can fix up for us. CTJF83 11:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up editing the page directly, once auto-confirm kicked in. It did leave me with a bit of a quandary, which I hope someone can answer. The article had stated that the writers were planning an average of five songs per episode, which seemed a little low to me. I checked the individual show articles here on Wikipedia, and came up with a total of 99 songs over the first 16 episodes, or an average of over 6 per episode (6.1875). Only six episodes have five or fewer songs (two of these, "Never Been Kissed" and "Furt", have four only). My question: how do I reference this? The data is here, but I don't know of any way to footnote it or explain it as I have done here. Yet it's a fact, and it seems wrong to leave the cited entry of a plan of five in there without pointing out that they didn't do what they were planning. If someone pulls my new text on this, I think we need to pull the original info and cite, to avoid misleading readers. Thoughts? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like your saying the old info is out of date, and there were more songs in most episodes than that statement accounted for. If that's the case, you would only need to source new information changing or updating the count. That sentence doesn't seem all that integral to me, especially in light of it's historical inaccuracy, and if all you're doing is removing historically inaccurate information, an edit summary explaining the removal would be sufficient here to me (anyone feel free to argue if I'm out of line here). Not to mention that the average number of songs for season 1 was 5.8095 per regular episode (6.1364 with the 13 song pilot), so it's not like five would have been a major reduction from their previous overall average of six (how much character development were they expecting from 3 minutes?), and apparently the writers did not appear to go ahead with the plan anyway. Personally, I say dump the sentence and move on. KnownAlias contact 18:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I agree; the sentence isn't necessary, so it's gone. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More details about "Born This Way"[edit]

Via TVLine, not sure if any would be relevant in the season 2 page. Already added them to the episode-specific page, but figured I'd give the heads-up just in case! 174.61.51.100 (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! CTJF83 20:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also via TVLine the ratings for the "Born This Way" episode are 8.54 million viewers. I wanted to add this myself, but the page is semi-protected. Jadereader (talk) 01:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)jadereader[reply]

Production rumor about new Madonna tribute episode looking less likely[edit]

Based on the episode titles for the rest of the season, except for the as yet untitled Nationals episode, it doesn't seem likely that the rumored Madonna tribute episode for season two is going to take place. (I can't believe it would be the season finale at Nationals.) Somehow, "Prom Queen" and "Funeral" don't seem to be likely candidates, and we know it won't be "Born This Way" or "Rumours". At what point should that Ausiello report from a year ago get tossed on the garbage heap? Is it something that should be carried over onto the season three page, or not until it's confirmed that the producers are still considering it? BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Prom Queen could be reasonable. CTJF83 03:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's still a possibility. It may not seem possible, but we can't rule out for certain that it won't happen in the finale. Yves (talk) 06:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crowthergate[edit]

Information about the Nicole Crowther controversy ought to be added to the production section. Don't you agree? - Jasonbres (talk) 03:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sections still needing improvement[edit]

The "Ratings" section under "Reception" needs to be written. Some of the data is available from the main Glee page, and in addition to the basic data (with cites) available there, it would be worth getting the 18-49 rating info, since Glee ranked 13th for the year by that measurement, rather than 43rd. The Super Bowl episode, with its 26.8 million viewers definitely needs mentioning, as is the drop in viewership following the hiatus after "Original Song", and that the final episode was helped by the "American Idol" lead-in.

The Awards section needs updating, especially to include the Emmys, since the nominations came out in July and the awards were made in early September, before the start of season three, so they were based on season two episodes.

I was thinking that the episode short summaries could stand to be a little longer, more like those in seasons one and three. I'm thinking "Audition" and "Never Been Kissed" are about the right length.

Finally, there is a fair amount of information in the intro that is not found in the various sections of the article, which is a no-no. It mentions the Emmy noms, that the show had logged 156 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 (the body of the article only gets it to the February record setting, not the final May figures). We'll probably need references for these facts, since they aren't referenced anywhere and should be. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A few quick thoughts: I'm wondering why the Jane Lynch image was moved from right to left, when the placement was correct before. The Darren Criss quote box in Production is apropos of nothing discussed in that section. The cast section is very, very full of blue links (I'll give it a read through and see if an obvious remedy occurs). Glee (season 1) only passed FL because the DVD cover image was removed from the ibox, as it was deemed to fail NFCC#8. Certainly having two covers up there is problematic, particularly when the episode list colouring is matched to the full season boxset. Those are just a few immediate thoughts - I have to dash now, but will try to return this evening and go through the article in more depth. Frickative 13:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ETA: I probably should have checked the edit history before replying - I see now there were a lot of changes made last night, which explains the image shift, though I've moved it back over. I now really have to dash, but I will come back later and give it more time - it's good to be getting into gear with this one! Frickative 13:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Prepping for FLC[edit]

I've just decoupled this article from List of Glee episodes, which was an issue in the FLC for the season 1 article. Since we've gone through the peer review, there are only a few issues that still need to be resolved before we submit the FLC—and we don't want to submit it until we've resolved them, because doing a Feature submission with known issues is asking to be failed, and makes people less eager to review you the next time. Here's what I know of:

  • Accolades: this section needs a complete overhaul, and when that's done, the lede (which already claims more accolades than the section itself) needs to be edited to match. I can't do this one.
  • Ratings: my first attempt at a yearly summary; I'd greatly appreaciate another set of eyes to review it. As I was looking at it today, I discovered that I'd gotten the "Britney/Brittany" rating/share number wrong in an obvious way. I may also have missed something important that ought to be covered.
  • Critical response: again, my first attempt. I thought it was very important to put Metacritic in context, since people seem to want to use it to the exclusion of all else, but it really isn't a good measure of an entire season. I also wasn't sure whether there should be mentions of especially good or especially poor episodes.
  • References: this section needs to be gone over far more particularly than we're used to, and consistency is the watchword: all the links need to be live, the metadata for a site needs to be consistent for all the refs that use the site ("work", "publisher", etc.). This is something I can do.
  • Including cover illustrations: there are two now, but the season one FLC called for the DVD image to be removed. In any case, if we want to try an image, I think Frickative had a good point in the previous section: using a single illustration of the Complete Second Season DVD makes more sense (and it also matches the episode background color!). Having two also makes the infobox unusually large.

If you know of any more issues, please add them below. Once these have been taken care of, then we can start the FLC, which is (unfortunately) a lengthy process. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:32, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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