Talk:Albanian Declaration of Independence

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Notability of delegates[edit]

User:B‎alkanian`s word has created a separate article for each of the delegates, saying nothing more about each than that each of them was a signatory. WP:Notability (people) calls for there not to be a separate article on each of these people, whose notability is encapsulated by their presence in the list. I'm going to convert all these new articles to redirects to this article.—Largo Plazo (talk) 14:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to hold tight briefly on this. I went, on second thought, to ask the author if he had plans to expand the articles, and found someone else has already asked him this. I'll wait to see if there's a response.—Largo Plazo (talk) 14:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Illyrians?[edit]

why is the Illyrian thing there when it is not proved and not even mentioned by most scholars? Various Yugoslavs have also claimed Illyrian ancestry without proof. source it adequately as a fact and then add it. 150.140.227.137 (talk) 11:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslavs are south-slavic people who invaded Illyrian lands in the 7th century A.D. We, Illyrians, have been there since the humans evolved...--A B X T • ៛ 18:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio?[edit]

Section Diplomatic efforts edited in this diff by User:Balkanian`s word looks like copyvio, because it is rewritten from the work of The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present, by Edwin E. Jacques, page 335. That work is marked as copyright of the author in 1995.

If I am right about an issue with copyvio, I propose that some user with the advanced knowledge of English rewrite that section (Diplomatic efforts) and resolve it. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Background section is copied from here. Author of the text wrote: The texts of all articles and books which can be downloaded here may be copied for private use if the author and source are properly acknowledged. I am not sure that in this case we can talk about "private use"?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Parts of the text in Assembly of Vlora section are copied from the same source.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I had noticed that too, the prose style is a dead giveaway that this was copied from some book. "Private source" is AFAIK not acceptable, Wikipedia text, images etc must be under free use license. I've already notified WP Albania about this. Constantine ✍ 17:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Long text from the newspaper "Përlindja" of Vlora[edit]

I propose to move very long text rewritten from the newspaper "Përlindja" of Vlora to the Wikisource (with link provided in the text of the article, of course)? Eventually, the summarized version can be written instead. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Number of signatories[edit]

There are various numbers of signatories of the declaration in the sources:

  • J. Erickson, Edward (2003), Defeat in detail: the Ottoman Army in the Balkans, 1912-1913, Westport, Conn: Praeger, p. 197, ISBN 9780313051791, OCLC 57426266, On November 24, 1912 Ismail Kemal Bey, Akif Pasa and thirty-one delegates signed a document of independence. Shortly thereafter, twenty-four delegates signed another copy in Yanya and twelwe more signed one in Gorice. {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |doi-inactive-date=, |chapterurl=, |laysummary=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help) : which equals to 69 signatories
  • Robert Elsie. The Declaration of Albanian Independence : contains a list of 41 signatories of the declaration.
  • Blumi, Isa (2003), Rethinking the late Ottoman Empire: a comparative social and political history of Albania and Yemen, 1878-1918, Istanbul: Isis Press, p. 182, ISBN 9789754282429, OCLC 52977540, While Boletini had plans to assert himself as a key political figure in this Albanian state building project, the Southern elite made certain that he would be reigned in to suite their military needs and not hijack a political process over which they wanted full control. A perfect example of this was when Ismail Kemal Bey hastily made the famous declaration of independence in late November of 1912, refusing to wait for Boletini and "the Kosovars" to reach Vlora. {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |doi-inactive-date=, |nopp=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help) : which means that nobody from Kosovo signed the declaration.
  • Farschid, Olaf (2006), The first World War as remembered in the countries of the eastern Mediterranean, Beirut : Orient-Institut ; Würzburg: Ergon Verlag, p. 339, ISBN 9783899135145, OCLC 77560861, Ismail Kemal Bey hastily made the famous declaration of independence before Boletini and "the Kosovars" could reach Vlora effectively excluding him from the Albanian state's history {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |doi-inactive-date=, |month=, |separator=, |chapterurl=, |laysummary=, and |lastauthoramp= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) : confirms that "Kosovars" did not sign the declaration.
  • Albanian Collectionist web site says: “This was why the evening of November 27 delegates were in Vlora, although they had not yet reached representatives of several provinces, decided to collect the day after the national assembly. On 28 November 1912, at 14, opened the National Assembly in Vlora. In the first meeting of the Assembly was attended by 37 delegates, who were added during the days that followed, reaching 63 people, representing all Albanian territories.”
  • Shqiperia.com web site says: "On 28 November 1912, at 14, opened the National Assembly in Vlora. At the first meeting of 37 delegates attended the Assembly, who were added during the days that followed, reaching 63 people, representing all Albanian territories." - confirms that there were 37 people present in the first meeting and that during next days there were 63 of them.

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources (meaning official documents) have been forged a little, in primis by Enver Hoxha, who entered his uncle, Hysen Hoxha, in the official list of the signatories. Poor Mrdie victim of the ruses of Hoxha.Rakamomba (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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