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Why is there a "Tribunal history" section in the article. His record is not THAT bad, over a long career - just what is intended to be imputed?

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the references to his performance and the wording of this article is a joke... "he turned on the style"... this is an encyclopedia not a fan book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.119.120 (talk) 12:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC) ask hin what job you do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.133.174 (talk) 03:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification[edit]

This article could use a few - for instance the reference to South Melbourne is not explained. Mentions of positions that Goodes plays are not explained - why would you be retired from rucking?

Perhaps some of these terms can be linked to other articles. Anyway I'll leave it to the experts. I just don't think it would read very well to someone who has absolutely no idea about AFL.

he is also in the aboriginal team of the century '

Racial Abuse[edit]

Why does the article pull its punch in respect to the racial vilification he suffered from Eddie McGuire, who broadcast his disgusting comment to a radio audience of tens of thousands of listeners, and then before his so-called apology, stated "I didn't racially vilify anyone"?

It should simply state that Goodes is a champion AFL footballer and proud Indigenous Australian who was the victim of unprovoked racial vilification from the President of the Collingwood Football Club whilst broadcasting his commercial radio program.

Why don't we just insert the facts?

It also needs to mention his role in turning a 13 year old girl into a media circus.

No mention of his comments of Australia Day = Invasion Day which also caused a lot of public controversy. The Booing reminds me of the Hadlee's a Wanker chant from the 80s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.37.83 (talk • contribs)

I actually think that the way this is presented is fairly accurate. The vast majority of Australians agree that this is not racially motivated, and Wikipedia needs to take a majority viewpoint on matters of opinion.
For the record, I agree that it is similar to the "Hadlee's A Wanker" chant from the 80s. That wasn't racially motivated either. That was because Hadlee was a great player, who was far too uptight. I am pretty sure that the motivation for this is along the same lines. The better the player, the more they are criticised. Just ask Chris Judd, Jobe Watson and Lance Franklin. All of them were booed. None of them were racially motivated. Nor is this. Mister Sneeze A Lot (talk) 09:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It'd be similar if the minority of genuine critics weren't joined by herd racists. Judd, Watson and Buddy got booed by Eagles, Tigers and Hawks fans respectively, not every away game they play and nowhere near as loudly for as long. Historyneverlies (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a break from afl[edit]

Someone needs to add Goodes taking a break from afl due to the impact of the abuse he has suffered. --120.18.213.42 (talk) 10:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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When a football crowd seemed to be booing Adam Goodes, they were actually booing the 'politically correct' media that had been defaming the people in the stadium as racists. The attendees at the football event had no 

problems with other aboriginal footballers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.97.45 (talk) 23:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the place for random opinions such as this. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:11, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of content[edit]

HappyWaldo - it would have been more courteous to discuss your edit removing the commentary section I had added before summarily removing it. I believe it is pertinent if only for the reason that the largest section in this article is "Controversy", and the citation refers to a radio programme which refers directly to this controversy. I suspect that far more people know of Goodes because of the reporting on these incidents than as an AFL player, and the issue is part of a bigger conversation about race and identity. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's a half hour radio program in which Goodes gets a minute or two of coverage. Sorry but it's a severe case of WP:UNDUE. And I'm not sure we even need a section on "later commentary", because there hasn't been any significant shift in the zeitgeist so to speak. Maybe when enough time has passed. 2035? - HappyWaldo (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy?[edit]

Is that 2008 spat on the radio worth occupying a paragraph in the article? Just asking because, reading about it, it doesn't seem huge and I'm wondering whether it belongs in the article as per WP:RECENTISM. (Not being an AFL fan, I wouldn't know - perhaps it was big at the time?) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recent improvements[edit]

HappyWaldo Thanks for your improvements. Just a couple of things. "The booing saga" didn't only start 2014 (as you have amended the lead to say), according to the sources and as in body of the article. The lead needs to summarise and reflect the article, and that sentence is not quite right yet. (Also, incidentally, not your changes, but as per MOS:LEAD, those citations aren't necessary there - could be moved down to where relevant.) The other thing is that you have reinstated some content which is unsourced. I removed the Rita Panahi opinion piece (with explanation in edit summary), which is not WP:RS, only reflects one skewed opinion and is behind a paywall anyway, but had to remove that bit about "denigrating the history of Australia" because it is not in the SMH article. If this is to be included, it needs to be sourced from elsewhere and explained what he said that was seen by some as insulting, as there's nothing about this anywhere else in the article. (The Career section is also woefully under-cited, but I'm leaving that for someone else!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tribunal section[edit]

Responding to the undated question at the top of this page, the tribunal section is strange. I searched a few notable AFL players' pages and could not find anyone else who has one. Does any other player have one? Given his record is a total suspension of 2 games in a 340 game career, which I suspect is below average, I suggest it be de-emphasised, by moving the table into the "Statistics" section. Adpete (talk) 01:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I dig a bit of digging, and it was added by an IP account on 23 October 2011 [1] . The same user put similar tables in for Brett Kirk and Leo Barry the same day [2] [3], though those were quickly removed. It seems to me like a set of Good Faith edits by a Swans fan, rather than an attempt to discredit Goodes. I see it's been removed now, but I'm reluctant to delete referenced content; though a bigger problem is it is incomplete, e.g. this ref says he was suspended after a pre-season game in 2012.[4] If we can find a reliable reference saying something like "Goodes was suspended X times in his career for Y game" I think it should go back in. Adpete (talk) 05:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adam’s mistake[edit]

I think it all started in 2013 when ADAM pointed the girl out to security. She called him “an ape” what is a very mild expression in many European languages. At schools in Europe many children call each other “an ape” every day. It is less offensive than bustard. That time we were shocked how the girl was treated and we came to the conclusion that ADAM‘s reaction was exaggerated. Everyone blamed the girl and it was wrong. Since that time the public didn’t like ADAM. It’s a pity that no one explained it to him that time.

Wikipedia depends on what reliable sources say about a subject, not the personal opinions of editors. HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2023[edit]

was born at a young age and couldn’t walk for the first couple years of his life Lettuceness (talk) 01:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 02:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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