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Inbox[edit]

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I try to respond to people in a timely manner, but being onwiki is often a lot to juggle – so I keep an inbox list! My apologies if your message has been languishing for too long.

voorts, here
Angelle again
DYK queues?
Sarah Barrios
email
april fools?
tsventon ping

GalliumBot[edit]

Hey! I just wanted to give you a heads up that your bot seems to be acting just a little weirdly - not quite enough that I want to disable it from doing the rest of what it seems to be doing fine, but still a little unusually.

I have a DYK nom that Ravenpuff made a copyedit to while it was in a prep. As you'll see if you view that link, GalliumBot is logging that same change every hour. It also appears to be doing it with one other nomination by a separate editor. It doesn't seem to be anything critical, and I can obviously live with it popping up in my Watchlist, but I thought you may want to investigate. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 03:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the other person who's nomination is effected, the hourly updating is getting very annoying, and the bot is clearly malfunctioning. @Theleekycauldron: please address this soon.--Kev min § 19:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrOrinScrivello and Kevmin: thanks for letting me know! I don't have the bandwidth to address this for a little bit, so I've turned off the darn protocol for now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – May 2024[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2024).

Administrator changes

Nyttend

Bureaucrat changes

Nihonjoe

CheckUser changes

Joe Roe

Oversight changes

GeneralNotability

Guideline and policy news

Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.

Technical news

Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531

Arbitration

The arbitration case Conflict of interest management has been closed.

Miscellaneous

This may be a good time to reach out to potential nominees to ask if they would consider an RfA.
A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in May 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 15,000 articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!
Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) election is open until 9 May 2024. Read the voting page on Meta-Wiki and cast your vote here!

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capri-Sun[edit]

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 22 June 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/June 2024. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 20:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Heckler v. Chaney[edit]

The article Heckler v. Chaney you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Heckler v. Chaney for comments about the article, and Talk:Heckler v. Chaney/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Voorts -- Voorts (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, voorts! might just take you up on that offer :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Feel free to reach out any time. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins[edit]

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Increment cookie number at MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages[edit]

Theleekycauldron, thank you for working on WP:RFA2024. The number in the  at the bottom of MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages needs to be incremented to |cookie=624 after Phase II announcement. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrybak: apologies for not paying it forward! done :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 14:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oltrepier sent you an e-mail![edit]

Hello, Theleekycauldron. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is "A few questions about RFA2024".
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Oltrepier (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I should have sent you an email about a few questions I'd like to ask you for a Signpost article dedicated to WP:RFA2024, which I'm currently working on. Please let me know if it sounds good for you... : ) Oltrepier (talk) 20:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Yes, sorry, very swamped :) lemme respond right now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please go look at this[edit]

Can you comment here: User_talk:Bilorv/Challenges#I_Am_Woman? --evrik ^(talk) 16:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns about Phase 2[edit]

You asked me to raise concerns on your talk page, so here I am. Thanks for listening.

You know about all the things where you and I have crossed paths in the past day or so, obviously. But I'll focus on the specific issue we are discussing where you asked me here: [1]. I get it, that you believe that Phase 1 established a consensus that a recall process will be enacted if the details can be worked out, as opposed to that it established a consensus that the details will be worked out, before determining an ultimate consensus. So, in that way, you believe that you are "not letting people relitigate phase I questions". That's what I understand your position to be.

However, you are the person who started the Phase 1 and Phase 2 reform process, and you have assumed the role of facilitator (and you are doing it, at least in part, in your capacity as an admin). There's a difference between keeping the discussion focused on what is on the table for Phase 2, and limiting legitimate discussion of concerns. When I and other editors have raised concerns, you have taken the posture of arguing that those concerns are wrong, which is taking "sides" rather than just facilitating.

And here is what you, yourself, said at the beginning of Phase 1: [2]. In Phase 1, the idea is that most of the things should be trial balloons. I took you at your word, and felt that was entirely reasonable, and I assume a lot of other editors did likewise. These were trial balloons, not final proposals. If something got interest, but wasn't ready to implement as is, it would move on to Phase 2 for further discussion. There was no reason to believe that if something was determined in Phase 1 to have consensus in principle, but needed further discussion in Phase 2, Phase 2 would automatically yield something that would become policy. Editors who commented in Phase 1 likely understood Phase 1 the way you described it at the time, and they way that I understood what you said.

The Phase 1 close for Proposals 16 et al. contained multiple caveats: "the process(es) for initiating an RRFA needs to be worked out in more detail before this is implemented", the "if any" that you and I have already discussed, "this is not necessarily a sign of broad consensus". That being the case, I think there is room in Phase 2 for editors to make the case for other ways besides a recall petition to initiate the process. There was not a finding of consensus for recall petitions, per se. There was a rough consensus that the community should be able to compel an administrator to make a re-request for adminship (RRFA) in order to retain their administrator rights. It's not clear to me that this is a final consensus that precludes an RRFA being ordered by ArbCom after hearing a case brought to ArbCom by the community.

Let's look at what I actually said. I said that it would be a good idea for proponents to develop arguments for why the particular proposal to come out of Phase 2 would be a beneficial thing. Although editors in Phase 1 discussed and supported the general idea, as summarized above, they didn't necessarily agree on arguments for why it would be a good idea. I thought I was being helpful, constructive, but it seems to me like you took it as an attack. I also argued for a final RfC for adoption. Maybe consensus will be against that, but it is a reasonable thing to discuss. What I think is very clear to me at this time is that other editors have been agreeing with me about the need for "none of the above". The energy with which you argued against what I said comes across as you opposing the possibility of "none of the above". There's still time to let that branch of discussion go ahead, and I hope that can happen.

You may want to look at WP:CDARFC, and my role in it, at the time. I'm not someone who is hostile to these kinds of proposals. If you follow links to the background of that, we kept the development of the proposal separate from the final RfC, and the final RfC was an up-down decision on implementation, with a lot more community participation than what happened in Phase 1 here. To my knowledge, that's how these proposals have always been done. What you seem to be doing here is unprecedented, and creates the appearance of pushing the proposal through despite objections. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]