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Microsoft Visual C# Wikibook[edit]

Hi. I'm attempting to write a C# Wikibook in my native language and I could use some help organising the chapters and the material. Do you have any ideas? The following is what I’ve got so far. Of course the idea is to write about the programming language C#, but going briefly into the .NET Framework, the history of programming and what programming really is, is a must.

Preface
     1. About programming
          a. What is a program?
                    i. Types of programmes
          b. What’s a programming language?
                    i. Choosing a programming language
          c. History of programming
                    i. First-generation programming language
                    ii. Second-generation programming language
                    iii. Third-generation programming language
                    iv. Forth-generation programming language
                    v. Fifth-generation programming language
     2. .NET Framework
          a. What is the .NET Framework?
                    i. .NET Class Libraries
     3. Console Application
     4. Windows Application

I could really use your help, when you're not too busy. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 06:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I would be glad to help. Anyways, going over the proposed TOC, I think, you are going a bit too deep into what programming in general is and its history. In a book about a specific language, I think it might be an overkill. And if you would like to constrain the topic, you would not be doing full justice to it. So, probably it would be better to make this knowledge a prerequisite for the C# book (you should delve a bit about what .net fx is though), and move the general bits to a different book. Just my two cents. --soum talk 05:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 16:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As for the Console Application part, this is what I had in mind for starters:
  1. Getting Started With C#
  2. Hallo, World!
  3. Comments
  4. Keywords and Identifiers
  5. Escape Sequences
  6. Variables
  7. Boolean Expressions
  8. Operators
  9. If-statement
  10. Switch-statement
  11. Do-loop
  12. While-loop
  13. For-loop
  14. Foreach-loop
  15. Arrays
  16. Constructors
  17. Exeption Handeling

Do you think that this is a logical order of chapters? What would you do different? This is just something to start with, I'll add more as the job progresses. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough if you are targeting just beginners. However, do not thrust these inside console apps. These features are available everywhere. --soum talk 03:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They are indeed available but I think it's easier for people to figure them out inside Con Apps than Win Apps, 'cause they don't have to deal with the presentation of whatever gives the result or outcome. If you're teaching someone how to put value into arrays from the keyboard I can only imagine it being more comprehensible through the use of the cmd which is generated for you than having to put buttons and fields on a form and have to program them and also know how methods and classes work, rather than just using ReadLine(). --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 06:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that how these things are taught? You learn programing in Con Apps and then the Win Apps part is mostly about the presentation? If you've got better ideas please share them. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 06:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas Card[edit]

Thank you. A very happy Christmaas to you too. --soum talk 10:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Fluent (user interface)[edit]

Hi! Yes you are correct. Indeed the article was more specific about the ribbon widget itself rather than the entire Fluent interface. Please undo my edits. Thank you for pointing it out! --Pikablu0530 (talk) 12:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. No problem. See you around. --soum talk 02:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

Maybe a knowledgeable user like u could add something more to your architecture diagram in the Hyper-V/WSV article from http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/archive/2007/12/20/Xen-in-the-Windows-kernal_3F00_-Ha_2D00_ha.aspx? Btw, what happened to the Visual Studio article? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.181.67 (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look. Thanks for bringing it to my knowledge. Probably the entire diagram needs to be changed. It was one of my earliest examples with Inkscape, and is extremely loud and flashy.
As for Visual Studio, I haven't forgotten it. But I am feeling too lethargic to take on such a massive scale writing. Poke and prod me with a stick till I get around to doing it. :-P--soum talk 06:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Group policy[edit]

Hi Soum... didn't realise this until now, but a user came around in April and renamed Group Policy to Group policy. It's pretty clear from MS documentation etc. that this is a proper name, so I don't understand the rationale for it, but I can't change it back to the proper name because someone edited Group Policy after the redirect. Can you take care of this? Thanks. -/- Warren 13:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Anyways, have a very happy Christmas. :) --soum talk 15:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks. :)
Can you believe it's been almost two years since we started working together on computing articles? Phew! -/- Warren 06:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't realize that!!! It has indeed been a great journey. :) --soum talk 07:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: translation[edit]

Highest selling female singer would be translated as : সর্বাধিক বিক্রিত গায়িকা. Let me know if you need more help. Keep up the work in bn.wiki. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 14:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to Microsoft Silverlight page, Criticism section[edit]

There has been for some time a criticism of Silverlight (by Ryan Paul) that it ignores the SVG standard. I've long felt this criticism is baseless and biased and appreciated David Betz' response to the criticism. Essentially, he points out that SVG doesn't do what Silverlight needs to do so Microsoft had to either do something else (XAML) or extend the SVG standard. It appears you removed the response in one of your cleanups. Could you explain why you feel the article is better after your edit? And if you're concerned that Betz is a Microsoft fanboy, just look through his blog for references to IE 7's horrid compatibility with the ACID 2 standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apardoe (talk • contribs) 00:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the talk page and the archives. I have the same concerns as you do. The SVG criticism is basically a no-brainer. As such, it does not deserve to be reinforced by us. If you see I removed that too. And when it itself is not there, David's refute makes no sense. As such, I removed them both, plus a bunch of stuff. (I haven't checked the article for sometime; if it has been reintroduced, I cant say). If you can provide a better ref of SL ignoring standards (one that doesn't bring SVG into the picture), the Ryan Paul ref can be removed altogether. --soum talk 05:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies. I'm not very practiced at reading the page histories. And yes, the "criticism" has been reintroduced, without the refutation. I'm not quite sure what change to make so I'll let it stand.Apardoe (talk) 07:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will take a look. --soum talk 17:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your message...[edit]

Um, It was written in warnings above the article that A. the article was an unnessary rewrite and the guy just wanted to make his own versionn of the artcle and B. the guy was a foreigner and the article made absolutely no sense when you read it, because the grammar is terrible, therfor it was dubbed incoherent and deserved to be reverted especially sense it's not only unnessecary but its erroneous as well. In addition to that, the song sample given in the section was the wrong version, in fact it was a pre-version, something that didnt release to the public, but was a draft for the real thing, making the sample 1. inaccurate and 2. from illegal sources, because that unauthorized pre-version was illegally distrubted to alizee fans, including the poster of that song sample.

THERE WERE A MILLION THINGS WRONG WITH THAT ARTICLE. how dare you accuse me of taking something off for no reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.27.218 (talk) 22:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Be Civil and respect other editors or I won't hesitate before blocking you. I never accused you of anything. This is a collaborative medium, and you do not own the article. Anything you do, you must be able to explain why. You did not do it properly.
You say it was an uncecessary rewrite. Did you care to explain why it was unnecessary? Especially when the necessity was already mentioned in edit summary (that it was just a loose collection of facts and unmaintainable in the long run). If you think thats not enough, you have to point out the problems. Secondly, if the grammar had flaws, you should have pointed things out. There are many editors who fix it. Plus, considering the album just released, the article is not yet stable and lot of rough edges is to be expected. Undoing is not a solution. Things are to be taken forwards, not backward.
That apart you said things were erroneous, but claiming that means nothing unless you say what. Stuff has been sourced from articles, if something is missing or based on old info, please either add or modify. Not revert. And the album cover was taken from the official website, you mean to say RCA is illegally using the album cover? As for song sample, the undoing did not revert the song sample. So, undoing did not fix it. And as long as the sample reflects the original how does the source matter?
Things here work on consensus. If you go against it, fingers will be pointed at you. The version is the work of consensus. As I already said, if something is wrong, it can be fixed. If you are not patient enough to do that, just point out the flaws and help us fix it. --soum talk 09:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FOLLOW UP REPLY: Regardless the song is still an illegal copy. The sample was from an unedited, unmixed draft and was distributed for no commission accidentally and illegally. It should be taken off according to law. Wikipedia is very strict about infringement here, you should have taken that sample of fin a heartbeat.

If you must, fine... leave the article how it is. It won't be the end of the world lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.27.218 (talk) 17:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had never listened to the song. Thanks for pointing that out. I will get onto replacing it. Do you see any other incorrect stuff in the article? --soum talk 02:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: vandalism[edit]

Thanks for fixing that vandalism, I'm not sure what their problem is, indeed I'm not Swiss, but Dutch like my userpage clearly states. Weird. Happy new year! Hope you are well, JACOPLANE • 2008-01-1 17:48

Sure no problem. Happy new year to you too :-) --soum talk 18:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Happy New Year![edit]

Dear friend, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Eve, and that 2008 is your best year yet! ~ Riana ⁂ 04:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Not 'til the end of this year or next year, most likely :( ~ Riana ⁂ 06:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Did u get my email?[edit]

Happy new year to you too. I only do minor improvements, most of the major bulky contributions are done by users like you. Btw, did you get my email? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 05:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DotNet3.0.svg[edit]

Can you change "WCS (InfoCard)" to "Windows CardSpace" in the diagram? Neither of the terms WCS nor InfoCard are correct.

Thanks, --Mbjencyclopedia (talk) 18:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I remember fixing it long time back. Where has it gone? Anyways, I will fix it. --soum talk 07:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My edits[edit]

Hey just wanted to let you know that I've reached 3000 edits. --ChetblongTalkSign 21:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats. I am currently a bit busy in real life. Will get on with the nom may be in a week. Cya around.--soum talk 04:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now at 4000 edits. --ChetblongT C 01:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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C# and F# disambiguation pages[edit]

I replied at my talk page. Thanks. Torc2 (talk) 07:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: IE8[edit]

I used sourced information from the wikipedia article itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titan602 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Windows CardSpace[edit]

Just been looking over your edits to Windows CardSpace. I've reverted the wording changes for the following reasons;

  • The fact that the UI is consistent is very important, it's part of the whole idea.
  • If you go through the specs you will see no reference to InfoCards at all. It is not an InfoCard it is an Information Card. Partly because someone else (Apple I believe) has the trademark on InfoCard.

I've also done a bunch of rewrites and reinclusions on Information Card, you managed to completely rearrange the types of card so it doesn't make much sense. Also InfoCardIcon.jpg has an incorrect description; that image is supposed to be used to indication Information Card support, it is not a representation of a card, nor indeed is it part of the CardSpace identity selector. --Blowdart | talk 09:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at Talk:Identity Metasystem --soum talk 12:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply[edit]

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Thanks for the nomination Soumyasch I'll get to it right now. :) --ChetblongT C 19:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Timesplitterswiki[edit]

Whats this about you being a vandal on another wiki, Timesplitterswiki?

A user on it named Timesplittersdude says you have been vanddalising?

What is this about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hicktunus (talk • contribs) 20:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I am on a personal mission to erase that from all records made in this time. Btw, what the hell is Timesplitterswiki? --soum talk 23:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you not ILHI on timesplitterswiki? There is a ILHI on tswiki --81.1.100.63 (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I'm not. Sorry to disappoint you, mate! --soum talk 16:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFA Card[edit]


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Hey[edit]

Hey :) I've been around, but I have been travelling a lot lately so there are some gaps in my contributions. At the moment I'm watching the Mix 08 keynote... exciting stuff for people like us with an interest in Internet Explorer and Silverlight! -/- Warren 18:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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IE page edit[edit]

Hi, this is for enquiring why my change made in internet explorer page was reverted. can you explain so that i will know how editing in wikipedia works. i mean the review page added. the most recent change Prem sah (talk) 10:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist view in IE8[edit]

A few days ago you posted a bug report at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Watchlist view in IE8. Are you still having this problem? I downloaded IE8 and can't reproduce the issue, although I did find and fix a problem with the login page. —Remember the dot (talk) 07:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(replying to User talk:Remember the dot#IE8 and watchlist) - Thanks for your note! I have not run into the ClearType problem, but I did some testing and I'm pretty sure that the bullet styling bug is a bug in IE8, not a problem with Wikipedia. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IE page edit[edit]

Ok, I went through the guideline you sent. I agree with you. Prem sah (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Riana's request for bureaucratship[edit]

Dear Soum, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana ⁂ 12:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh! ওতেই তো আশ্বাস! যাক গে, একদিক দিয়ে ভালো, আমার কাজ বাড়লো না! :) পরের চক্করে কি হয় দেখি ;) অনেক ধন্যবাদ, ভালো থাকিস. 'তুই' is fine, btw, as long as I get to use it too! ;) ~ Riana ⁂ 14:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And my Bengali never turns out the way I want it to :/ What program do you use? ~ Riana ⁂ 14:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Java_bytecode[edit]

hi, i see you deleted reference to non-existant CIL bytecode article from Common Intermediate Language. could you instead create this article? i would like to provide details about CIL bytecodes, in similar format to Java bytecode article. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.14.57 (talk) 18:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

here is possible article stub:

Common Intermediate Language bytecode is form of instructions that are run in the Common Language Infrastructure and in the .NET Framework. CIL is an object-oriented assembly language, and is entirely stack-based. It is executed by a virtual machine. For a general introduction see Common Intermediate Language. This article describes the actual bytecodes.

The CIL bytecodes[edit]

bytecode table, sorted by category, similar to Java bytecode. to be filled after article creation.

See also[edit]

Sources[edit]

"Partition III: CIL Instruction Set – Describes the Common Intermediate Language (CIL) instruction set", link: http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm

Regarding merging the "VBScript" article with the "WSH" article[edit]

Can you spare a minute or two and give your opinion here? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 13:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)  Done --soum talk 14:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vista features removed[edit]

Got any more features which are not listed in that article? I still don't believe that list is anywhere near complete. I'm sure there are lots of undocumented removed features. The OS was too rushed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs)

Well, if they removed undocumented features, then we can't do anything (it wasn't documented in the first place becuase they never pledged its availability over releases). Anyways, I will try to see what I can find. I can also probably do an API comparison between XP and Vista, but that wouldn't be suitable for here. --soum talk 09:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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