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Looking for the creator of a draft

Not being an administrator I can't see who created Draft:King Street Sounds. The person asked a question on the Teahouse and I just wanted to make sure they saw the response, but the IP had no other edits, so it's not clear who asked.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Undelete ShakeDeal

@LizLiz, Writing to express my concern about the deletion of the Wikipedia page ShakeDeal. As one of the major contributors to the page, I believe that it met the notability requirements and provided valuable information to readers. The page was created three years ago and had 30 references from reputable news channels. However, it was recently nominated for deletion and removed due to a lack of citations. I am confused by this decision since the page already had sufficient sources to meet Wikipedia's standards. Furthermore, I noticed that the deletion was carried out without proper discussion or consensus among the editors. The page was not under speedy deletion, yet it was deleted too quickly. Also after checking the edit history of the user who nominated the page for deletion, concerned that the deletion of the page may have been based on personal motives rather than the content itself. believe that all contributors should be treated fairly and that actions should be taken based on the content rather than personal motives. Request that the page be restored and that we have a proper discussion among the editors about its notability and any necessary improvements. Niclepo (talk) 06:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Niclepo (talk) 09:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Liz, Since my initial request for clarification and restoration, I have not received any updates or responses regarding the deletion. As the primary contributor to the article, I am eager to engage in a constructive discussion about its notability and address any concerns that were raised.

I kindly request that you provide an update on the status of this matter and whether you have had the opportunity to review the deletion and the arguments presented in favor of restoring the article.Niclepo (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I am not Liz, but can help address some things in your undeletion request. Your claim that the deletion was carried out without proper discussion or consensus among the editors is not correct. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ShakeDeal had 7 participants including the nominator, and yourself. The only dissenting opinion was yours. The other participants did not feels that the sources were sufficient to meet notability. Note that an acceptance of an article via AFC is not a guarantee against deletion. You also state The page was not under speedy deletion, yet it was deleted too quickly. The deletion discussion was open for a full week, which is the standard amount of time before a discussion closure is taken. It was not closed too early. You also claim after checking the edit history of the user who nominated the page for deletion, concerned that the deletion of the page may have been based on personal motives rather than the content itself. That is a serious accusation, and unless you have strong evidence that is the case, then you should retract such accusations. You can appeal a deletion at DEletion Review if you feel there was a defect in process, or an error in the interpretation of consensus, however given that the AFD was open for the requisite amount of time, and the near unanimous opinion to delete, I see no defect in the close that could be successfully challenged through a deletion review and a filing of such a review would be a waste of everybody's time. -- Whpq (talk) 13:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your response and clarification regarding the deletion process of the article. I appreciate the information provided. Considering the efforts made to enhance the article with additional citations, I believe that it deserves a fair evaluation to determine its compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines and notability requirements. Moving the article to draft status would allow for a thorough assessment by editors, who can provide constructive feedback and suggest further improvements if necessary. Niclepo (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Niclepo,
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ShakeDeal was the opportunity to argue that the article should not be deleted and the consensus here was to Delete. You even reverted my closure of the AFD! An article on this subject has actually been deleted three times now (through speedy deletion, PROD and now AFD) which is not a good sign that the company meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. Do you have a conflict-of-interest with this subject, do you work for this company or are you being compensated to write this article and get it in main space? Liz Read! Talk! 07:33, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the response and clarification. I appreciate your understanding. I would like to clarify that I am not personally affiliated with the company. My usual area of interest and expertise is in writing about movies, and "ShakeDeal" happened to be the first company I wrote about. I apologize for any confusion caused by the mistaken closure of the AFD. It was an error on my part Given the additional citations that were added during the deletion process and the potential for further improvement. Niclepo (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Undelete Goldendict

The software is usable and have active development for more than 10 years.

Due to the nature of free software, it is hard to estimate actual user number, but there are a lot of links and mentions to it https://www.google.com/search?q="goldendict"

It deserve to have a wikipedia page. slbtty (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Shenlebantongying: Since this was deleted as an expired proposed deletion, I've listed it at requests for undeletion on your behalf. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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Requesting copy of deleted article

Greetings @Liz

I am trying to provide some collaborative draft expansion support to an existing draft Draft:Gender power gap.

It seems the article of the same name Gender power gap (probably created by new user?) was deleted previously through this AfD discussion.

Requesting copy of the deleted article Gender power gap in my sand-box to avoid same mistakes being repeated and find out any useful citations if any.

Bookku (talk) 11:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

2x CSD G5 articles

Good morning... I only retagged those two articles - Draft:Miss America 2024‎ and Draft:List of new members of the 119th United States Congress - as CSD G5 because ‎NinjaRobotPirate blocked both IP's as sockpuppets of ApprenticeFan. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ApprenticeFan. I would not have done otherwise because the previous administrator explained the requirement for CSD G5. Please let me know if I have misunderstood the process. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Bebel2024

I'm taking a look at their edit history right now, and I see what you mean. I've already deleted a handful of completely empty categories (no sense keeping them for a week), and I've applied a temporary partial editblock so that they can't create any new categories for one week, to give us time to clean up the mess. Bearcat (talk) 22:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The mess I'm looking at is trending close enough to vandalism to warrant some straight deletion, in my estimation. I'm also listing some stuff for discussion when it's more debatable, and redirecting some stuff where it's straightforward duplication, so I'm not just blanket-deleting everything. Bearcat (talk) 23:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Agyrocircularis

The IP address which created Draft:Agyrocircularis and others were known for adding random gibberish and Taxoboxes to the article Francevillian biota. It has also created Draft:Agyrocircularis and possibly others. Are you able to block the IP addresses to stop them from creating random non-sense? Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


User talk:Hemanth Choudhary/sandbox

Hi Liz, I deleted this page before I realised that you had declined an earlier CSD, since it had been retagged by experienced user Cahk. I have to say that I cannot see how this isn't blatant promo (Get 20% On Your First Move😃), but I'm not going to wheel, so I've restored, cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I should say that I've indeffed the editor as a UPE. but feel free to unblock if you disagree Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
@Deb: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, it was still nominated and it should remain deleted. Deb (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Valerio Zamboni article

Dear @Liz,

I would like to express my gratitude for taking the time to consider my request and for your potential response.

I have prepared an article about the legendary ultracyclist Valerio Zamboni in my sandbox and intended to publish it in the main space. However, I noticed that you had deleted an article under the same title several weeks ago. The reason for deletion was stated as, "Expired PROD, concern was: They get several mentions, but there is not enough in-depth coverage to show that they pass WP:GNG."

I believe that the Valerio Zamboni referred to in the articles is the same individual, and I am confident that my article provides comprehensive coverage to satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG. Would you be so kind to examine the version in my sandbox and evaluate if it now meets criteria? Here is the link to the sandbox version.

Thank you sincerely for your efforts in making the wikipedia a better place. Your contribution is greatly appreciated.

Best regards, 124Sanroque (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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You doing ok?

Hi Liz, you are usually great at responding to queries here but I have noticed over the past couple weeks or so, you haven't much. Maybe I am reading too much into it but if you need break from Wikipedia, take it. Either way, I hope you are well. S0091 (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,
You are right, I've been absolutely terrible at responding to talk page messages lately. The thing is, and this is no excuse, is that I have about a dozen daily tasks I do on Wikipedia and once I get into one of them, I like to stay focused rather than dropping everything to respond to a talk page message. So, I leave responding until the end of the day when I have mostly finished up my jobs. But, I've gotten lazy at coming back here and reading over messages. Also, I tend to leave really long replies to queries that take time to compose and so I have procrastinated. I need to get more concise in my replies because most times people are not looking for long, involved responses but simple "Yes, I can do this" or "No, I can't do this" answers.
But I appreciate you calling this to my attention and I hope to catch up on them sometime today. It probably doesn't matter but I'm not ignoring individual messages and requests, I'm just not tending to my talk page. But your message caught my eye, hit a nerve because I know I've been remiss and I could answer relatively quickly (for me). Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:49, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
You do so much here thus get so many messages I thought it might be burnout which, if that were case, is understandable and you, the person, comes well before you the Wikipedia editor/admin. I am glad to hear it is nothing bigger than you simply haven't gotten to them yet. Also it does not come across, at least to me, as you ignoring specific inquiries. None of us are perfect so not always on top of everything and sometimes things will fall in the cracks. S0091 (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
It is good to hear you are fine. Please can we move forward on the situation with my Roxanne Fontana article. I have written above a reply to you, and further comments. I have written to one of the two editors who carelessly, without research, and unprofessionally using offensive words with no legit explanation. We must discuss this please! Brooklyn Smith (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Move deleted SimpleX Messaging Protocol to my userspace?

Hi Liz,

In October 2022, I was informed the article would be deleted because of lack of significant coverage/relevance. There were very little at the time and there weren't much I could do.

Their user base has grown, and got a security audit, but maybe there isn't still enough media covered for Wikipedia standards.

So I would like to ask if you could copy or move the deleted page to my userspace, to User:Arthurfragoso/SimpleX Messaging Protocol, so I could work on it in the meanwhile, as I expect that it may soon have enough coverage for Wikipedia standards.

Thanks -- Arthurfragoso (talk) 13:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Guillermo Rojas Bazan

Hello Liz,

I see that you have deleted the Guillermo Rojas Bazan page. Could you explain why? Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it.

Orlando Davis (talk) 23:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

restream

Hi Liz, I've came across this deleted page that I was editing in 2021, could you move it to my userspace so I'd improve it? Please and thank you. Goo3 (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Tony Award for Best Play

Hi Liz. You listed a category as speedy deletion for being empty I worked on, Category:Tony Award for Best Play and my notice said to contest it at a specific entry which is not actually linked on the category notice. All but one of the relevent plays were removed from the Category and I'm unsure why, especially as it is identical to the Category:Tony Award for Best Musical which still has all of the winning musicals included in it. I just was not sure where to go to contest this deletion as the link to do so was not present, and if anything can be done to restore this. thanks! HighlandFacts (talk) 17:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Drafts removed

I have seen you have removed my drafts. I kindly request the full wikitext of each page such that i may copy and then store them for later editing and work in a more permanent place where i have control.

Kindísimo regards, 56independent (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 56independent,
Please provide me with a list of pages you are concerned about. It could be that they can be restored, it depends on what the grounds were for deletion. But just provide a link which looks like this [[Article title]] or [[Draft:Article title]]. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The grounds were, as stated on my user page, the 6-month period having ended.
These are the pages:
Happy editing, 56independent (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sock?

Hi, about this & this, please see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mainul_Saiman that's why i tagged it. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

ANI

You are mentioned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Restoration of promotional and unsourced content at Festivals in Aruba. Johnuniq (talk) 02:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Johnuniq. Liz Read! Talk! 02:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Nik Freitas

Hi. Could I contest this PROD? The nominator's rationale for deletion is not well-founded and this is, at the least, a likely redirect target to elsewhere. If incoming links can be restored as well that would be great. Thanks Chubbles (talk) 05:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chubbles,
 Done Finding all of the links involving combing through my contributions and yesterday I had 500 edits. I'm more alert in the morning so I think I will handle that when I get up tomorrow morning if that's okay. Liz Read! Talk! 05:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! Chubbles (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Rewind Page

Hi Liz, I was just about to start a page for Rewind after reading about them getting a big financing round and then saw that you had deleted a previous page with the same title last year, because Advertising. It seems the company has made progress and there are lots of articles about it. 04:35, 25 August 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:Rewind (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) Tag: Twinkle (thank) I've got no connection to them. Is the topic ready for a wikipedia page now? Thanks. Livysmite (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Livysmite,
Always provide a link to the page you are talking about so I don't have to go searching for it. Then I can see why it was deleted. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 07:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi Liz, this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rewind&action=edit&redlink=1 Livysmite (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry that all of these people have hijacked your message to Liz. I meant to put a few sentences in reminding her that I was still waiting after a week to hear from her, before having all these people jump on and into something I am merely discussing with her. I would not have done that had I known this would happen, apologies. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
You forgot about responding to my article above ROXANNE FONTANA. Waiting for several weeks. You asked questions, I replied, still waiting, had further information, still waiting... Perhaps consider doing things in the correct order if you begin a 'situation'? Wouldn't that make sense. At least restore the page to where I have access to it, as you offered to do weeks ago. Thank you. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 18:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@Brooklyn Smith to be clear, Liz did not "begin a situation" and making unfounded accusations is not helpful to your case. Another editor nominated the article for deletion and a discussion occurred at WP:Articles for deletion/Roxanne Fontana. Liz simply assessed consensus which was a clear delete and as an admin carried out the deletion per consensus. The previous draft (not the deleted article) was restored for you, you submitted it for review and it was declined. None of that is Liz's doing. As the deleting admin, she can choose to restore the deleted article to draft space, but she is under no obligation to do so. S0091 (talk) 19:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
No that is not true, she nominated it. Left it up to two editors who didn't read the article properly. They referred to this artist as the 1980s, which one of them said she was expert in. The artist's first release is 1999. The draft was given to me, and immediately re-submitted without knowing it was not the deleted article. Liz replied above, and ask for an answer which I gave,and further information, and have not heard anything back. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
You are incorrect, Brooklyn Smith. The article was nominated for deletion by User:JSFarman. Liz assessed consensus and only then deleted the article. Just read the debate. If you want to debate with experienced Wikipedia editors, please get your facts straight. Cullen328 (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Also, "the 1980s" was neither mentioned nor alluded to in that deletion debate. Cullen328 (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Exactly right, @Cullen328. @Brooklyn Smith you are heading down the wrong path here so my best advice is to cease lobbing accusations at other editors as it is a waste of your time (along with others trying to explain that you are wrong) and focus on improving the draft. All of this can be rectified by improving with draft with sources showing Fontana meets WP:GNG (read that thoroughly) then resubmitting for review. S0091 (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes it was. Just read the debate, and the conversation on your talk page where you brought her in. A conversation I found shocking. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:33, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
There are no accusations. There are just facts based on the debate and the original conversation between Cullen and JS Farman. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
That is incorrect. You brought JS Farman on. Getting facts straight is definitely correct. Why did you: refer to this artist as the 1980s when the article clearly stated that the first record release was 1999, with the majority happening post 2011? Why did you state that even if the artist was notable the article should have a machete taken to it? Why did you accept that every single line written by JS Farman which is absolultely false: "some videos" when the artist has over 60 videos on the page of the record company as well as fan pages? Why did you accept JS Farman who was an expert of 1980s San Francisco punk rock as someone to trust on an artist based in London post 2000 where most of the recordings are done? Why did you accept that none of the citations were legit, when ShinDig Magazine has a huge worldwide circulation? Many pages on google, yet it was stated nothing was found. Liz asked questions of myself, I answered them above and am waiting for her answers. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@Brooklyn Smith time to move on. You are not going to get anywhere with this particular approach or discussion. As I said above, focus on improving to the draft to show Fontana meets notability then resubmit it for review. That is the only path to an article about her. S0091 (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry but I need to hear from Liz please who asked me questions. Which I have answered. She can speak for herself please. Thank you. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
The original nomination was in regards to conflict of Interest. I would appreciate if you just leave this situation to Liz based on the history, and the questions she has asked me. Thank you. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@Brooklyn Smith it is not up to Liz to assess whether an article should exist or not. Your only path is submitting a draft. Please see my note above as well. I will not be commenting further. S0091 (talk) 20:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Brooklyn Smith, you are correct that I asked JSFarman to assess the article, which is routine collaboration among editors. On her talk page, the 1980s were mentioned because the article said Fontana began her music career at New York City nightclubs during the 1980s. This included multiple performances at CBGB, The Bitter End, and Webster Hall, among many others. Fontana's bands The Blue Way, Kid Blue, and Ruzenka and the Big Dream, were male rock groups that Fontana dominated by writing all of the material, and fronting. Those bold assertions were entirely unreferenced, in violation of the core content policy of Verifiability. I am an administrator and can read deleted articles. So again, you are incorrect. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please there WERE citations for that history in the published interviews she gave with publications post 2010. She is a recording artist. She would never be in Wikipedia for playing nightclubs, so I actually disagree that is a bold assertions anyway. That era is a prelude, and nothing compared to what she is now doing. That was merely historical information which had citations listed, all of which could be found online. I appreciate your concern Cullen. If you want to help me with this instead of debating it, can we take it somewhere else? My talk page for example? Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Just here to applaud Liz! I've seen you around Wikipedia for years but today was the first time I had a reason to read your talk page. You go above and beyond. WAY above and beyond. I am in awe.
Re: Roxanne Fontana to quote the very wise S0091, I will not be commenting further , I'll comment on your talk page. JSFarman (talk) 22:14, 14 May 2023 (UTC) JSFarman (talk) 05:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Which is always a reply when someone is at a loss for a cohesive and proper reply in a debate. In your case every thing stated in your conversation regarding the deletion was a falsehood and untrue with evidence to prove it. So of course you cannot comment further. The other editor was helpful to me on my talk page, thank goodness. The hallmark of a worthy conversation, is a conversation. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 07:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Of course the time for conversation was the week the page was discussed. I was out of town at that time and unaware. Had I been available, I would have corrected your false assumptions with evidence, and argued the censorship mentality that certain published evidences are unworthy, and even falsely deemed not "legit". Alas, considering it's taking Liz 20 days to reply to something she requested, it might help if the nomination/deletion process was pushed to one month, for fair and proper analysis. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 11:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Undelete: St. Aloysius Primary School, Mbarara

Hello Liz, Kindly undelete the page I created a few months back called St. Aloysius Primary School, Mbarara.

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Climate Change Essay, and Education Projects

You write that you are tired of dealing with misguided class projects that think that their essays will replace Class-B articles. Yes. I will add that, in some cases that I see from time to time, there is a Start-Class draft submitted to replace a stub, which is a real improvement, except that it is submitted as a draft to AFC, and the instructor apparently doesn't know that the draft review process does not apply to expanding of existing articles. These projects are often about biological species. They really are trying to add knowledge to the encyclopedia, which is what we are all collaborating to do, but the instructor doesn't know how things work. The general issue seems to be that too many WikiEducation projects are being run ignorantly. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:33, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon,
I think what is happening is that I pay a lot of attention to our Move log so I see a great many pages that are moved from User sandboxes directly into main space. This has been going on now for about 3 weeks. Frequently, these articles still have sandbox tags on them and the editor has left their username in the page title. It's happened dozens of times since April. I don't know why they think these articles are ready. If you look at the comment below this, I'm being asked why we shouldn't replace an existing article with a student article. Not going to happen! But I also have seen great student-written articles which only need a little polishing to be main space ready. But that is probably 5% of what I see from students. I just hope instructors aren't implying to their students that they will get a better grade if they move their articles into main space because that is just not true.
We're getting to the end of the school term so it should ease up. And I have to work on my patience. I really admire our WMF Ed folks who act as liaisons with course instructors and students. I messaged one today about a student who received an indefinite block because of continued copyright violations. At this point, I just don't think some students pay attention to messages on their User Talk pages. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Jewish Autonomism

Hi Liz, I noticed that you removed the revisions of @Miamiheat12 from Jewish autonomism and returned them to his Sandbox. Can you explain why you think it's not yet ready for the main space? It would be helpful for the student to have more detailed feedback so he can correct his draft—many thanks for your help. @Brianda (Wiki Ed) Dolly City (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dolly City,
Well, first, the student moved their article to Miamiheat12/Jewish Autonomism which is not the correct title for an article, it is a move mistake. So, I moved it back. Secondly, we have a 17 year old article on Jewish Autonomism and we are not going to delete it in favor of a student project. They should have worked on a subject that we didn't already have a well-established article on. At best, they can work to include some of the better, referenced content from their page into the existing article.
But mostly I'm seeing terrible student pages being moved in to main space which are not in any condition to be in the encyclopedia. They usually still have sandbox tags on them and they aren't given decent article titles. What is acceptable for a student paper may not meet Wikipedia's standards. Our regular editors submit their drafts to Articles for Creation to get an experiened editor to review their work. I encourage students to make use of AFC so that their articles aren't deleted as soon as they are moved into main space.
If you have questions about Wikipedia policies and practices, I encourage you to take them to the Teahouse where experienced editors and admin can offer you advice and a second opinion. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi Liz, thanks for the quick response. I instructed the student to integrate his edits into the existing article instead of trying to replace it. Nonetheless, this "17 years old article" has been graded Start Class on both WikiProject Politics and WikiProject Politics. @miamiheat12's article significantly expands it and is based on various recent scholarly contributions, as well as primary sources. It also includes 29 citations compared to exactly THREE in the original article (quantity isn't everything, but it is something). I am sure the student's article still requires revisions, but I don't understand the eagerness to toss someone's serious work with no real explanation (Beyond the "move mistake" and the mere fact that the article is 17 years old, I mean) Dolly City (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Talk page stalker here. User:Dolly City - I will add to Liz's comments that many students don't understand Articles for Creation. Many students and too many instructors think that it can be used as a process to submit a draft article to replace an existing article. That isn't how the process works. Only drafts on new topics should be submitted to AFC. If there is already an article, which may be a stub, it can be expanded or changed or replaced by normal editing. Many editors and instructors seem to think that replacements for articles can be submitted via AFC. They are just mistaken. I think that students need better orientation as to how Wikipedua world, so as not to waste their time and our time. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


Request for administrative assistance regarding harassment/uncivil conduct from user

@Liz,

I am a fairly active user here on Wikipedia, and I was redirected to your page per "recently active administrators" tab for dealing with harassment from a user that had apparently gotten irritated when I sent them a template warning regarding an edit they did in which they removed a cited music genre on the basis of their opinion/original research, which is a violation of Wikipedia's rules.

He removed the template warning, calling it "rude" and warned to not template him. I then messaged him about being kind, and then the user began using profanities towards me. He persisted with this aggressive behavior even after a generally positive and understanding response.

I've looked at their history in the past and the user appears to been very aggressive in the past and has been warned on behavior before. I will share a link to the issue at the user's talk page so you can consider any actions to be taken if any are warranted.

Link to aggressive exchange

I look forward to your response and I appreciate any help on resolving this dispute. AppalachianCentrist (talk) 05:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

You seem to be on some kind of genre warrior crusade, which is bound to irritate music fans. Just because some random website calls Patti Smith "punk rock" or "heavy metal" doesn't make it so. Note that I have not edit warred over this. As for "harassment", you're the one who keeps posting unwanted templates on my page, not the other way round. I made it very clear the first time that I don't appreciate this. So leave me the hell alone. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 07:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
I imagine that Robert Christgau's critic page for music and Rolling Stone are a bit more in regard to reputation than being "random" websites. I acknowledge that you have NOT edit warred over this, but it is my perception and impression that I did not edit war with you. I apologize if you received that impression.

It is in my best interest to use Twinkle reply templates when warranted, i.e. your edit that started this. In your edit, you removed content because you personally disagreed with the cited material, and used your own opinion to justify your edit, "As a punk rocker I declare that site to be crap. It's not punk, it's just tock," being your reason. This reason is based on your original research/thought, which goes against Wikipedia's rules as linked here, since you essentially cited yourself.

Just because you view the template edit to "rude" doesn't mean it was meant with rude intent. I never meant to provide a rude or aggressive intent with my template replies through Twinkle, which prompted this comment here discussing why I made those comments after you told me to "fuck off" and called me a "dickhead."

My claim of harassment is warranted because of you werenot being civil at all towards me in resolving this dispute, as mentioned earlier, telling me to "fuck off" on multiple occasions and calling me a "dickhead." It is a bit concerning that this is the behavior you have expressed towards me, despite having the Don't be a dick rule on your main user page.

--AppalachianCentrist (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

You just can't drop the WP:STICK can you? Like most experienced editors I hate people posting templates on my page per WP:DTR. The template was completely unnecessary and my dismissal of it was appropriate. But you still came at me and at me with successive templates, and now you're trying to get your favorite admin involved. And you still have the nerve to accuse me of "harassment"? Just go away, I have no desire to interact with you. LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Icebreakers of West Germany

Thanks for the notification that the Category:Icebreakers of West Germany had been nominated for deletion. What had happened was that the category had been incorrectly emptied. I've now corrected that. Can I remove the deletion template? Mjroots (talk) 06:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mjroots,
This is sadly not uncommon. And, unfortunately, sometimes it's some of our veteran editors who choose to empty out a category so it gets tagged for deletion. I post notices on User talk pages but I find that they are usually not taken seriously by experienced editors. In this case, I reverted the edits that placed the CSD C1 tag and also removed the parent category. All should be fine now. It could use more categories but there may only be one that is appropriate.
By the way, last year, I discovered a script that shows you what pages have been added or removed from a category and which editor is responsible for that addition or removal. I wish this had existed years ago! But it is helpful if you suspect a category has been emptied out of process. Also, we have a real problem with editors emptying out categories that are currently being discussed at CFD. This behavior is a real concern since most editors do not have categories on their Watchlists. Liz Read! Talk! 06:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

G5 Deletion from October

Hello, I had a couple articles speedily deleted by you on or around October 11, 2022, mostly under the G5 criterion, due to the fact that I was blocked from the site for being a sockmaster. However, not only have I received the Standard Offer and requested the articles to be undeleted, but I believe that my articles being deleted under the G5 criterion may have been incorrect in the first place. Here's why:

G5 clearly states:

To qualify, the edit or page must have been made while the user was actually banned or blocked. A page created before the ban or block was imposed or after it was lifted will not qualify under this criterion.

The articles in question, which were deleted once I was blocked from the site, were created well before the block occured and were in progress when I was blocked. Not only that, but I did not violate the terms of my blockage and did not partake in any article creation or editing, on this account or any others.

While G5 does have a specific clause pertaining to sockpuppet blocks,

...any pages created via the sock account after the earliest block or ban of any of that person's accounts qualify for G5...

Via the sock account(s). This account is not a sock. This was the main account in the investigation, the sockmaster, and not only that but all articles which were speedily deleted, were created before any of my accounts were blocked.

Therefore, all laid out I do believe that each deletion which was filed against an article I have created after I was blocked, is invalid and should be reconsidered. Please check the active RfU and weigh in, as the other administrators are unwilling to do so without your input. WhichUserAmI 20:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I see. Well, if you'd like to just continue deleting hundreds of articles instead of actually taking part in the discussions you have involved yourself in, then I can just open a review and have them undeleted whether you comment on your past actions or not. Thanks for participating. WhichUserAmI 15:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for New Hampshire Administration Division

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Deletion review for New Hampshire Corporation Division

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Deletion review for New Hampshire Division of Archives and Records Management

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Deletion review for New Hampshire Division of Uniform Commercial Code

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Deletion review for New Hampshire Division of Elections

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Deletion review for New Hampshire Division of Vital Records Administration

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Deletion review for Template:Fatwire

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Petition Not To Delete Article On Restlezz

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (This Article should not be deleted because it meets the Standards on Wikipedia guidelines on notability from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:GNG&redirect=no Reliable Sources, the citations used in the Subject Article are from reliable sources, The Source, All Hiphop Earmilk, Guardian, and Tribune Online these are reliable sources as said in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Electronic_music/Sources )

Significant Coverage The subject has had significant coverage you can look over the citations he was on an interview with Earmilk a Reliable trusted source for Wikipedia on music-related subjects.

Reliable Wikipedia already listed these sources as reliable so the citations from these sources were used in the article.

Sources and it's not from a single source it's from multiple sources, not just one and they all meet Wikipedia standards for neutrality and reliability.

Independent of the subject The sources used for citations are independent of the subject as you can use they are from Major Newspapers publication that can't sell their reputation because of a subject.

As you can see the Subject Restlezz meets all the standards for Wikipedia neutrality and notability as stated in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline

Talking About Notability the subject has a Knowledge Panel Generated by Google Knowledge Panels cant be bought or created it's autogenerated when an entity is a public figure that is well known.

Thanks for your help in helping the community grow its in your hands now I hope you consider my petition and see the reasons why the subject article should not be deleted. Digitalageohio (talk) 10:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

Hello, I think that you are administrator.

Can I ask a favor of you?

If you have spare time, Can you participate in below discussion?
Spartan_3000 Discussion

Topic is about South Korean military unit. Even though you are not good at military field.

It's OK. Because issue of discussion is very simple.

South Korean press's reliable sources vs Western press's reliable sources. It's a matter of choice.

Anyway, Thanks! Footwiks (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Professional boxing userpage protection

Hi! I'm asking on behalf of User:Professional boxing for unprotection of their userpage, which was protected by you. You protected it because it was repeatedly recreated with no user with that name, but there is now a user with this name and they cannot edit their own user page (see m:Special:Diff/25029838). Best, — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Who re-created it and why? Professional boxing (talk) 05:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 Done Liz Read! Talk! 05:22, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Can I still get a quick recap on why people created this page before I joined Wikipedia? Professional boxing (talk) 05:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
It's very common for new editors to move their articles from their sandboxes to User:Article name instead of Draft:Article name or Article name. But it's rare for this to happen repeatedly. Liz Read! Talk! 05:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Chanakya College of Management

An AFD that you have marked as soft delete is still a live article. There are no entries in the deletion log and no WP:REFUND requests. Would you mind deleting it? Heart (talk) 04:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, HeartGlow30797,
The AFD wasn't set up so that closure of the discussion deleted both articles. This is very common in bundled nominations. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Oops

Thanks for undoing my redirect to 6–3–3. Tony (talk) 10:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Contested PROD

Just a heads up that I've undeleted Transportation and Communications in Mexico, as I had previously contested the PROD. I need to look further into it when I have a bit more time, but it seems that in the past it was split into two separate articles, and therefore may need to be retained for history and attribution purposes. Once I've worked out what happened, I'll add the necessary templates and possinbly carry out a history merge to fix any cut-and-paste moves that may have taken place. — Voice of Clam (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Voice of Clam,
Thank you for looking into this. That disambiguation page had quite a page history. I think it will be safe now that you have restored it (appropriately so) as the attribution issues would come up in any AFD. I appreciate you noticing mhy error and fixing it. Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
I've added {{copied}} to the relevant talk pages. When I have time, I may look at doing a history merge, after which the DAB page could be deleted as per original PROD. — Voice of Clam (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

You Got Mail!!!!!!! VWebre/Carnival Article Deleted

Vrwebre (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Hi Liz, I was wondering why was my article on Mardi Gras/Carnival deleted at 07:42 on May 17, 2023. That was a group project that was for my Information Literacy class at the University of New Orleans and consisted of a year long worth of hard work and research between me and my peers. This is our first times every editing and publishing so some errors may have occurred. I will need the article for a final grade and if not I will fail. Anyway I could get it undeleted by you? I did realize I utilized copyrighted pictures on accident but the info is all non-plagiarised and fully cited. Vrwebre (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Vrwebre: It still exists. It was moved to a better place: Draft:Vrwebre/Carnival. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Vrwebre,
Thank you, UtherSRG, yes, Vrwebre, you moved it to an inappropriate page title so I moved it to Draft space. You should submit it to Articles for Creation for review to lessen the chances that it will be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 00:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Professional Roughstock Series

Good day to you. I noticed today in my Watchlist the following changes: Apparently, the article "Professional Roughstock Series" has been deleted recently. And about other five articles have been modified to accommodate removing the links to it. This is my first notification of any of these actions. I have either created some of these articles or made significant contributions to them. I can't see the article, obviously, to decide if I want to take any action. Could you let me view it please? Thanks! Have a great rest of your day! dawnleelynn(talk) 20:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC) p.s. If there is an AFD page, please link it. thx! dawnleelynn(talk) 20:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Debbie Critchfield.

See the discussion on WP:AFCHD. She meets WP:NPOL (the position she has is elected statewide in Idaho) and the original creator has (at my request) added a secondary reference. If you think there is a need for additional secondary references, let me know, I'll request it from original creator. I'd add them myself, but I'm a reviewer there. Naraht (talk) 12:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Good Burger 2

I know I requested a speedy delete once on a page [1], I was getting ready to move to get rid of the redirect, did I click the wrong option than? I submitted the article for review, but seems to be ready as the film is now in production as I was just going to by pass that process. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 15:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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A little help needed

Hello Liz, hope you're doing well. I'm a partially blocked user who is trying to get my block lifted. I have made several unblock requests which were denied in the past. Although my recent unblock request denied reason was something that I could not comprehend.

Yamla, the admin who has blocked two of my requests recently gave a denied reason that seem to be a bit sarcastic and mockery. I'm not sure what to do, I tried asking questions as to what my unblock requests actually need?

There has been no answer from him yet. I really want to contribute back to this community. But on the other hand, I don't want to give nonsense unblock requests and have my talk page access revoke too.

I hope you can help me guide in the right way as to what I should do next? I'm just stuck at this point.

Thank you Rejoy2003(talk) 22:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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Other editor, was already notified, weeks ago

Howdy. Presuming you're pointing to the IIHF World Championship & IIHF Women's World Championship pages? The other editor was pinged on that matter, nearly two weeks ago, at WP:HOCKEY. AFAIK, we haven't heard from the other editor (on the topic-in-question) since. Therefore, I had to assume they were no longer interested & had moved on. GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GoodDay,
I don't recall the exact pages, I just look at the Move log daily and saw that Hey man im josh changed a lot of sports events to lower case ("final") about a week ago and then today you changed them all back to upperclass ("Final"). I assumed you found the articles that needed to be changed by looking at his editor logs so I was hoping you would contact him and discuss the changes. I don't think Josh has any involvement with that WikiProject discussion or hockey. Sorry I wasn't more specific in my comment to you but I thought you would know exactly what I was referring to. Liz Read! Talk! 00:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey man im josh, was made aware of objections to his unilateral page moves, about two weeks ago. Now, an RM on the matter (which Hey man, should've done in April 2023) has been opened up. I'd recommend that you advise Hey man, to go the RM route, in future. If he's planning on moving numerous related-pages :) GoodDay (talk) 00:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Warring at Margham

Hi Liz. I don't want to go to ANI, it's not a great place to be - but one of the articles on my watch, Margham is constantly being blanked by an editor who's replacing the content with virtually unsourced stuff about a 10-house village and nixing the intended subject of the article, the more notable oilfield. Apart from creating a slew of citation errors around the place, having been warned for that, we're now using IPs to continue edit warring - and reverting the changes will undoubtedly have me in similar territory, too. I've tried dialogue but there ain't no engagement on offer. Help? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, it's worse than I thought. The editor has a copy of a Dubai Statistics Centre PDF and is banging in new articles about a whole rake of dubious places such as Al O'shoosh and Al Meryal (duplicated as Mereiyeel) naming them as 'communities' while they're actually desert areas, using book references that don't hold up the article, captioning pictures as being of the place when they're not (the Mereiyeel article being one example) and generally introducing redlinks and citation errors all over the place. As it happens, there are already existing pages for some of them (Al-Ashoosh, a little like Margham, is notable as an archaeological site but is otherwise a subdivision of desert on a map) - as well as dubious place names, unsourced articles and constant errors, we're also socking, posting both as Jad Krimeed and 94.207.250.234. The clean-up is too much for me to contemplate already - and it's still going on... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Not to worry. Bbb23 blocked. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjamin Qi

I can't tell for sure now that is is deleted, but I suspect this was an article I WP:DEPRODDED so I'm not sure it is eligible for WP:SOFTDELETE ~Kvng (talk) 15:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kvng,
I looked at the deleted page history again and don't see any previous PROD taggings and no edits by you to the article. But, of course, as a Soft Deletion, you can request restoration if you want to work on the article. Liz Read! Talk! 16:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for checking ~Kvng (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Elmezzi Graduate School of Molecular Medicine

Hi Liz,

According to this, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Elmezzi_Graduate_School_of_Molecular_Medicine, the page was deleted last year, but it appears to be still standing (if I'm reading this correctly) because someone moved a former name (of the same institution) to the new location?) They seem to be the only editor since then. Should this page still be standing or should it be deleted? Wozal (talk) 03:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Cleanup after article deletion?

An article I previously worked on, Conversations_(software)#See_also, now has a red See also link. Search found it was deleted and you were closer. It still exists in several articles.[2] I know in the time I wrote this I could have deleted them all manually, but isn't there a process to check and fix such things as part of a deletion, similar to cleaning up after a move? Better, a bot like I see going around changing or deleting categories? If not, should there be, and where should I suggest it? Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

No response, taking it to Helpdesk, FYI. -- Yae4 (talk) 10:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Lake Zamkaft

Why was the article undeleted? You closed and then unclosed the AfD for some reason. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:05, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Festucalex,
When I was looking at the day's AFD log, I was looking at May 24th instead of May 23rd. So, I closed a number of AFDs a day too early. So, I needed to revert myself. This was just a technicality due to an error on my part, it wasn't a relisting. The AFD may very well be closed tomorrow, at its regularly scheduled time. Liz Read! Talk! 03:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I understand. I thought some judgement was made on the quality of the article or something. Keep up the good work, Liz! 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Help out

Hey Good Morning, hope your doing all good? pls i will love you help check this article for me Draft:Mile 17 - Wikipedia. Ecobrown (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Multiple copyright violations from new editor

Hi Liz, hope you are doing well. The new editor Naiwaar has been on a tear of editing book articles, and by edit I mean copy-pasting plot summaries from the publishers' websites wholecloth. I have removed and reverted almost all of these and left a standard template warning on their talk page but this has continued. Could you or another admin step in? I'll send another warning but they don't seem to be getting the message. Thank you! Kazamzam (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) The editor in question has acknowledged the problem, and has not added any more copyright violations since. I've applied revision deletion to the copyvios, and left a welcome message with advice to take the tutorial. -- Whpq (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not Liz, but I think I can help you. It would appear you are talking about Draft:Jeff Klinger. You need to cite reliable sources in the article to verify the added content and establish notability, otherwise the article cannot be published. If you want to know how to do this, see this guide. If you want to know what sources you can use, see here. Have a nice day, QuicoleJR (talk) 21:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Reventlowsgade

Hi there. I am very sad to see that my Draft:Reventlowsgade has been deleted. I was still intending to do more work on it but have been waiting for a still ongoing redesign of it to be completed to be able to use more pictures and media coverage. Os there still away that I can get access to the deleted draft= (ot was quite long and I really don't thinkt it should have been moved to draft space in the first place).?Ramblersen2 (talk) 22:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

This user is reverting my referenced edits I ask you to stay away from my contributions before you deleted my edits for not having sources and now you revert them because it suits you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1159241449

--Jusaset (talk) 05:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Grorp (talk) 05:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Østby family

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Østby family. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Brox Sox (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Brox Sox,
I think you have made a mistake here. I just deleted a page with a broken redirect. You want a deletion review of the article that it was pointed to, Østby noble family. That was deleted as it was seen as vandalism. You might pursue a deletion review about that article. Liz Read! Talk! 19:14, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


Deletion review for 0402臺鐵第408次車清水隧道重大鐵道事故

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Help please

User:@Curbon7 is accusing me of being a sock despite your verification. And I have never seen the account that he claimed I am until now. Plus there was no issue with my IP adress when making my account. I am new to Wikipedia. —- Floridamanfan (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

For extra clarity, I am simply part of a twitter circle on Florida politics and they showed me how to edit Wikipedia. I never used it until recently. Floridamanfan (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Now blocked as a confirmed sock. Bad case of Déjà moo. BilCat (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Teddy Warria

I am a little puzzled as to what happened to this draft. I looked at it somewhat after midnight local time (-0400). and then went to bed. When I got up, I looked at it again, and it didn't look like it was any good, and I then looked at its history, and discovered that both it and Teddy Warria were deleted. It isn't obvious to me what happened. So my question is: Did the originator move it into article space, where A7 applies and where G11 is applied more strictly? If so, we have another case where a user who was not here constructively worked against their own selfish interests. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

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Questions/help on NASCAR article drafts

Hi Liz,
I edit NASCAR articles and I talk page messaged you last year. You were helpful to me then so I thought I'd go to you with questions I have:

The article draft that I messaged you about last year was deleted again. I actually don't really want it back as what it is about does not exist anymore. (The Sioux Chief Showdown was a program in the ARCA Menards Series, a lower level NASCAR series, that awarded an extra championship during the season and drivers ages 15, 16 and 17 who aren't old enough to race at all tracks could win it, unlike the full season championship.) However, is it possible that I could somehow receive a copy of what the article draft looked like before it was deleted as well as the edit history? This is because I instead want to add info about the Sioux Chief Showdown into the ARCA Menards Series article. If this can only be done by bringing the article back, then that's OK and we can delete the article draft later.

Also, tonight, a user (A.lanzetta) copied and pasted another one of my article drafts (Draft:DoorDash 250 (Xfinity series)) into mainspace instead of moving it from draftspace to mainspace. As a result, the edit history was separated. The draft article was deleted soon after. When I created this article, which is about a new NASCAR Xfinity Series (second highest NASCAR series) race on the 2023 schedule, it was not ready for mainspace due to lack of sources and moved to draftspace. However, this race is now next week and I think it's time for it to go in mainspace regardless, and this user thought the same thing but failed to move the page properly. Can you fix this/get the old article draft back with the edit history and have that be moved back to mainspace? Also, another issue with this article and the similarly titled DoorDash 250 (truck series) articles is that the words in the parenthesis are not capitalized. They really should be because "Truck Series" and "Xfinity Series" are proper names (so having them lowercase looks silly too). Although in the edit history, User:MB stated that proper names aren't used as disambiguators, I think this should be an exemption- there's no other words that could really distinguish the two articles besides the racing series' names. Can this be fixed and how can it be fixed?

Lastly, there's an article, Draft:NASCAR Brasil Sprint Race, that I had created in mainspace that became a draft due to lack of sources but other users have significantly expanded to the point that IMO it's ready to be moved into mainspace. In February, someone else submitted it to go back into mainspace, but over 3 months later, nobody has acted on that request- that's a long time. Since then, an article about the series' 2023 season, 2023 NASCAR Brasil Sprint Race, has been created and it's kinda weird that that article is there without an article about the series in mainspace. I hope that you or someone else take a look and approve it/move it to mainspace.

Thank you and I hope you can help me/us NASCAR Wikipedia editors with all three of these concerns!

Cavanaughs (talk) 09:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of Østby family

Hi, I see that you've deleted the article titled Østby family: a concise, well-sourced article on a notable subject as per Wikipedia criteria. The deletion seems to have been requested by another contributor who was dissatisfied with my removal of unsourced claims of princely titles and the like. I'm wondering why there apparently was no (announced) deletion discussion and how the article may be restored. Brox Sox (talk) 09:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Deleting sandbox of socket puppet

Hello there Liz sorry to bother you. I was just wondering do you mind deleting sandbox of socket puppet user:User:LSS 2552/sandbox? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

@Liz? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, DarkHorseMayhem,
Sorry for the delay in responding. This case is a bit tricky. If you look at the SPI case (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LSS 2552/Archive), User:LSS 2552 is actually the sockmaster, not a sockpuppet and they created their sandbox prior to any sockpuppet being blocked so I don't think the page is eligible for CSD G5 because it wasn't block evasion (User:Yakuzar123) when the page was created. Or it is close enough to the borderline that I don't feel comfortable deleting the page myself.
I have two suggestions: a) either tag the User page and go through WP:MFD (but you'll need a good reason for deletion) or b) go to the admin or checkuser who closed the SPI case involving LSS 2552...they will be the most familiar with the situation, who was blocked when, whether this page qualifies as block evasion, etc. They go through and delete pages based on CSD G5 all of the time and they would be a better judge of the situation than I am. Sorry I can't help you with this one. Liz Read! Talk! 20:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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Delete the "Harlan Institute" page!!!

Hi Liz,

I'm trying to figure out how to point out to someone who has deleting-power here that the "Harlan Institute" page ought to be deleted forthwith. I can't seem to find where there's a discussion of this. The page is a pure advertisement apparently created by people who work at the Institute; not only are all the sources in the page sites at the Harlan Institute's own web-site, but also, a google search on "Harlan institute" shows ten hits, all but one of which are the Harlan Institute's own web-site and social-media pages. I haven't been able to find mention of it in any mainstream journal or news-source. I posted a PROD but you removed it and pointed me to a WP page (WP:AfD) but that page has no discussion or mention of the Harlan Institute.

Where do I go to argue the case for deleting this page which if I were not dedicated to the assumption of good faith, I would call a flagrant attempt to commercialize WP into an advertising platform? I am fogged, in waters which to me are uncharted, by this. Please advise. Thank you, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
  • As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

Technical news

  • Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

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Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter

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help request

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Thank you! Justin Weinberg (talk) 16:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Why did you delete my sandbox?

Good afternoon, I am new to Wikipedia and recently had my article deleted twice in a day. I have permission from the person to create this Wikipedia article as well. I am not sure why this continues to happen as I was correcting an unintentional mistake. Will you reinstate my Amaramoore/sandbox? Amaramoore (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Amaramoore,
User:Amaramoore/sandbox had no content, it was a broken redirect to Luwucifer. We remove or delete broken redirects. There was nothing on the page other than a link to a deleted page. If you are wondering why Luwucifer was deleted, you can see which administrator deleted that page and the reason why it was deleted by looking at the pink deletion rationale at the top of the page. Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for responding so quickly. Will you reinstate my Amaramoore/sandbox and the article so I can make the necessary corrections. I cannot create/redo any articles within my page. Amaramoore (talk) 23:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
I can restore your sandbox and remove the broken redirect link. As I said, you'll have to talk to the administrator who deleted Luwucifer and ask them about restoring it. But you'll have to make the article less promotional, it read like it was written by a fan. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory of people who have popular social media accounts. You'll need to have better sources that show why the person is considered notable. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 00:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I am currently speaking with Kiwi IRC to make better corrections to the article. I only require access to the original article and the sandbox. Thank you so much for your assistance. I will also contact the administrator that deleted the article initially. Amaramoore (talk) 00:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Amaramoore, I see that my words were incorrect. There was content on this page. I didn't look into things sufficiently. If I had, I would have simply removed the broken link which is what I just did. I made a mistake here as the page appeared on a list of broken redirect pages and I acted on an assumption. My apologies to you. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Liz Read! Talk! 00:11, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

A note on deletion of lists under G14

Hi, Liz,

According to WP:G14, G14 also applies to pages that perform a disambiguation-like function (such as set index articles or lists).

I see you declined three of my CSD G14 requests of lists. I have to show you this note to clarify the criteria on deletion of lists and SIAs which has been sent to EurekaLott before, see User_talk:EurekaLott#Deletion_of_SIAs_under_G14. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 07:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, NmWTfs85lXusaybq,
Well, when I reviewed them, they seemed more like list articles that the standard disambiguation page that typically gets tagged for speedy deletion. You can retag them if you'd like but I'd recommend using WP:PROD instead. I think they are pretty uncontroversial deletions and using PROD won't bring up the issue for the reviewing admin on whether they are or are not a disambiguation page. I think if they are tagged again for speedy deletion, most patrolling admins will just pass on deleting them and leave them to someone else to evaluate because they seem borderline cases. That's just my suggestion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

SAPO (company)

Hi! I notice that en:SAPO (company) had an expired PROD. I asked the PT Wiki community if they knew of some additional sources about the web portal and pt:Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral/Aren't there reliable sources about SAPO (the web portal)? (5jun2023) some were added to the PTwiki article. In the edit summary it seems some sourcing from Portuguese web portals was added. Do you think I'm ready to request undeletion?

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 17:21, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tippy (YouTuber)

I noticed that you recently deleted this page. I am not the page author, but can you please email me a copy? I plan on writing an article on a YouTuber with a similar name, and I want to check if this draft was on that YouTuber. Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: Pinging you to make sure you see this. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Jeff Klinger

Hi I am a fan of Jeff Klinger. I made a webpage for him and updated his wikipedia article so that it has working links. please let me know what to do with it? Mickeygray1985 (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


Hi

Hi there again my bad for bothering do you mind deleting Hassan Yousefi user created again despite being moved to Draft:Hassan Yousefi, also pls warn user not to do it again., DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Liz I didn't know under which category i should put as speedy deletion so i ask you directly mb DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, DarkHorseMayhem,
Well, you shouldn't go looking for a speedy deletion criteria in order to delete a draft you don't like. Only articles that fit a valid criteria should be tagged for deletion. Editors are given a lot of leeway in Draft space to create and develop articles so most of the CSD criteria that pertain to main space pages aren't valid in Draft space. One that is, is CSD G11 advertising or promotional articles. If you think that criteria fits this draft, you can tag it, ideally with Twinkle. But most times when editors find a draft that they is unacceptable, they just leave it alone and it gets deleted in six months by CSD G13, abandoned draft articles. Taking care of these abandoned drafts is how I spend a lot of my time on Wikipedia. Many editors start drafts and then leave and don't return to work on them. Liz Read! Talk! 19:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
That article was originally deleted because it was moved to draft space by new pages patrol user.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=Hassan+Yousefi&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=Hassan+Yousefi&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslistDarkHorseMayhem (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) A10 doesn't seem to apply, but both the article and draft can't exist, one has to go. Not sure how this one falls. My gut would delete as housekeeping, as the content was already moved to draft to save it from AFD. The only other option would be to delete the draft and possibly AFD the article, but that doesn't seem to be very constructive. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
    @Dennis Brown Hi thanks for answer i think its best to deleted article cause its totally messy and not ready for mainspace... DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work at AFD!

Thanks for all the work you put into at AFD! In particular, thanks for helping me clean up the recent Adam Davenport AFDs, hopefully I/we got it into a good state. Skynxnex (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

"Social Darwinist" and BNP userboxes

Hello, Liz. I would really appreciate your input on what should be done with the "Social Darwinist" and the BNP userboxes, per the comments posted by StrexcorpEmployee and myself at the recently closed RAC MfD. Any thoughts? — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 13:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Possible oversight needed over at an AfD

Hello Liz, I am sorry to bother about this, but after giving a vote on this AfD that you've been diligently relisting, I've been bludgeoned, cast aspersions, and pinged 3 times (so far) in response.

  • Pburka has not been constructive on the AfD, with spurious comments for keeping[3][4] and going off-topic with aspersions[5][6], including after I addressed the off-topic matter.[7]
  • Phil Bridger made a WP:LOTSOFSOURCES/WP:ATA#CRYSTAL vote for keeping it[8]. After my vote, he started bludgeoning my answer[9][10] including implying I'm dishonest about the sources he linked. When no one defended this accusation against me after 18 hours, he started started commenting again and pinging me, going off-topic including threatening more accusations.[11][12] In response to the last 2 diffs, I gave more detail here.

I'm trying to steer it back on topic but I'm requesting your oversight if needed. In my personal view, if the case for keeping the article are non-arguments, followed by bludgeoning and incivility in response to a detailed case for deletion, then I don't see a reason to re-list it a third time. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 00:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, just leaving you a note that I linked to this thread: here. - jc37 00:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Laura Elizondo

I want to know why did you remove the deletion template from the Laura Elizondo article? In the Spanish Wikipedia it was deleted several times and now it is protected against recreation, therefore, if it does not exist in the Spanish Wikipedia, I consider that it should also be deleted in English, since it has nothing relevant. Sorry I don't speak English perfectly, it's not my native language, and I created this account on the Spanish Wikipedia. I await your response about your action to remove the delete template. Pelon Pelonete (talk) 03:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Removing CSD tag

Hello! Can you explain, please? The user tried to give 43rd (Howitzer) Brigade Royal Field Artillery a different title by copying its content and pasting into 43rd (Howitzer) Brigade, Royal Field Artillery. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G6: for cut-and-paste page moves that need to be temporarily deleted to make room for a clean page move. Laxeril (talk) 07:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Another administrator has already taken care of the deletion. However, if you don't mind, could you kindly provide some insights into your decision to remove the CSD tag? I would greatly appreciate it since I'm still learning my way around here. Laxeril (talk) 09:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Applause Store

Hello, Liz. I see you deleted Draft:Applause Store; could you please restore it to User:Launchballer/Applause Store because I'm satisfied that they meet WP:GNG and I'd like to see if there's anything useful in there? Thank you. --Launchballer 08:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Launchballer,
 Done Liz Read! Talk! 19:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Scrolling table Y/Doc

Hey,
This afternoon I made a template, my first on the English Wikipedia, and I had trouble, or better said, I could not find a proper way to put the documentation in. I thought I had found the correct way and I was filling the page but then when I tried to so the result, I got the message you deleted it. I am not to glad about it, for in the process finding what had happened and how to react I also lost de text I already head made. :(. Never the less I will try again, hoping for a longer lasting result.

PS: It took me three attempts to discover the single line under the static part of the deletion log page. Maybe the colour or its background could be changed so is stands out more clearly.

T.vanschaik (talk) 18:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, T.vanschaik,
This page was clearly not an article and didn't belong in the main space of the project. The Teahouse is a great place to go with questions like "Which namespace does this page belong in?" I can restore the page and move it to your User space until you figure that out. You can also go look over WP:TFD where templates are discussed and approach one of the participating editors who frequent that forum and know more about templates than myself. Liz Read! Talk! 19:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Proper classification of Speedy Deletion of Ukrainian_Academy_of_Sciences_(non-governmental_organization)

Thank you for pointing out the classification requirement for Speedy Deletion of Ukrainian_Academy_of_Sciences_(non-governmental_organization). I have now indicated "Request for speedy deletion with the proper classification. A7. No indication of importance (organizations)" . What is even more surprising to me, is that the creator of the page provides a statement of UN-importance, namely, the article contains the following quote: "the public organization "UAN" has no known scientific achievements." ! Danko Georgiev (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:MR

Hi @Liz, I saw that you removed the CSD G4 tag because: G4 doesn't apply to Draft space, editors can try to write a new draft and submit it to AFC.
Before this ends like last time, I decided to come here and explain my nomination. Before I nominated the draft I read WP:CSD#G4 and as you probably know it says: It excludes pages in userspace and draftspace where the content was converted to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy). Since the current draft is a one-to-one copy of the deleted article I assumed that content was converted to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy) did not apply. Nobody (talk) 08:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Craxy - submitted for... re-review? :)

Hi Liz! Firstly I'd like to thank yourself and the other editors who gave me valuable feedback on my first-ever article on Wikipedia. Using Wikipedia:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources and a lot of discussion with @BoyTheKingCanDance (who has been amazingly helpful, I must add!), I've managed to get the article to what I feel is a submittable state.

As the person who initially moved the article to draft state, would you be able to give this a once-over and advise on whether you feel it's good enough for mainspace now? Any additional feedback you might have would also be appreciated! Loony BoB (talk) 09:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arjun Malhotra (2nd nomination)

Hi! To answer your question, it looks like @JzG: dropped it to confirmed in 2020. I've split the difference between that and @The Bushranger:'s 2017 SALTing and made it e/c in light of the consensus that he's still not notable. Ping me if you (collectively) have any issues with that decision. Star Mississippi 16:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I reckon that HCLTech (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is also largely advertorial. Guy (help! - typo?) 09:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
It definitely needs a trim. Pinging @Abecedare, who I think is watching here anyway per the parallel conversation on my Talk. Thanks for flagging it (and hi!) Star Mississippi 16:24, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
The article needs a revamp, as an editor had noted on the talkpage 8 years back. More of the descriptive stuff; fewer lists and random sections. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any experienced editors who edits articles related to Indian corporations. The area usually attracts edits by inexperienced editors who add tidbids without looking at the article as a whole, or UPEs promoting companies of borderline notability. Abecedare (talk) 16:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Improve article

Hi, Liz. I would like to improve this article. Could you please restore it in my Draft space? –MinisterOfReligion (Talk) 05:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Owais Al Qarni,
 Done Please do not make a few cosmetic changes and then move it back into main space or it will be deleted as a CSD G4. It would help to run it by an AFC reviewer first to make sure that the concerns that were brought up in the AFD have been addressed. Liz Read! Talk! 05:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Outcome of a recent deletion you closed

Hi, I noticed you recently closed my nomination for deletion of Daryush Shokof as a delete for that article and that article only. However, I asked for a deletion of all articles related to him. I'm not mad at you, but I think it would be a waste of time for me and everyone else involved if I nominated everything for deletion. Is it possible for you to change the outcome retroactively? Thanks! RteeeeKed💬📖 17:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RteeeeKed,
This was not a bundled nomination (listing more than one article), it was a discussion about this article only. That's what participants reviewed and expressed their opinion on. If you want other articles considered, you have to list them at the same time (there are instructions at WP:AFD on how to do this) or make addition AFD nominations. Considering this outcome was unanimous, I don't think it would be a waste of time on your part if the other articles were similar to this one.
I can see what you mean about promotion though, when I closed this discussion and unlinked or deleted mentions of Daryush Shokof's name in other articles, I think he had been added to about 60 other articles and lists. So, some person or people went to great effort to add his name to a lot of other articles on a wide array of different subjects. I kept his name added to cast lists (which is what I do with actors) but I believe his name was removed from most of the other lists it was added to. Liz Read! Talk! 18:07, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Alright, will do. Thanks! RteeeeKed💬📖 18:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Okay, the rabbit hole goes deeper than I thought. There are a whole lot of pages for actors who have appeared in Daryush's films. Do I need to nominate all of them? RteeeeKed💬📖 18:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Well, yes, as an aside, if the page creator has left and is no longer active, it can be easier to use Proposed Deletion than make an AFD nomination but PROD'd articles can always be restored while it is much more difficult to restore or recreate articles deleted through AFD. And you can try CSD speedy deletion if the basis is that the articles are purely promotional. This works best on newly created articles, many admins don't like using speedy deletion on articles that have been around for years.
My only other advice is if you find a certain group of editors who are focused on creating promotional articles, it can be worth the time to create an Sockpuppet Investigation but this does take time. If they are found to be sockpuppets or paid editors, this can be a more permanent solution. However, I've noticed that some paid editors create a new account to create one article and once it is in main space, they abandon the account and create a new one for the next article assignment. Thanks for fighting the good fight! Liz Read! Talk! 18:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
How about doing some WP:BEFORE before these nominations? Alvaldi (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Formatting AfDs

Hello Liz, thank you for handling the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyumen Oblast in the Turkvision Song Contest. In your closer statement, you gave me some advice: Closer statement: This was actually a time-consuming AFD to close as each article had to be handled individually. In future bundled nominations, please follow AFD guidelines on formatting additional articles so that closing the discussion takes care of not only the primary article but all other articles included in the nomination. Thank you. I'd like to take this advice on board. I'm still relatively new to AfDs, and this is one of the things I don't understand well yet. How could I do this better? At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries, I did follow the WP:BUNDLE guideline V. namely: 

I am also nominating the following related pages because [insert reason here]:
:{{la|related article 1}}
:{{la|related article 2}}

But I noticed that some users didn't see that I co-nominated Comparison of the Turkic states, and they only !voted or commented on the primary article List of Turkic dynasties and countries. So I boldened it, and made a comment about it to raise participants' awareness that this was a bundle of 2 articles. That seemed to work, and people !voted or commented on both. That's why I did the same at the Tyumen Oblast AfD, and again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of the Baltic states. How did this cause a time-consuming problem for you (sorry about that!), and how could I do it better in the future while still making clear to participants it's a bundle, and not just about 1 article? E.g. in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Iranian dynasties and countries, I only boldened the sentence I am nominating the following pages:, but I'm not sure if this fixes the issue for closers. Thanks. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, did I format it properly this time? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azerbaijan in the Turkvision Song Contest. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Emptying Categories prior to CFD Closure

Hi Liz, The Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13#Expatriates A-G conversation really caught me off guard because WP:AGF is being completely disregarded on what is a pretty mundane nomination. I almost didn't notice your comment that categories were being emptied prior to the nomination being closed.

As a regular contributor to CFD, I'm opposed to that happening but I don't know what action to take there or other times you've raised the issue. If I see, I'm certainly willing to tag that user's talk page to fix and start warnings etc. but I haven't seen it.

I don't know if you can answer this here, but is the behavior a single editor or the same group of editors? - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RevelationDirect,
It's tricky. I see the emptied categories each day on the Empty Categories list and I try to mention it at the CFD involved and occasionally mention which editor is emptying them as there is a script that will now tell you about recent moves in and out of categories. Sometimes it is the nominator but other times it's an editor who hasn't even participated in the CFD discussion. But it drives me mad that people can't wait until the CFD discussion is closed before they start emptying categories, especially because there's a bot that can handle that after a decision has been made.
The biggest problem is that. for the most part, the editors emptying categories "out of process" are editors who work a lot with categories who just think they know better and that the rules don't apply to them because they are so knowledgeable about categories. And while this emptying is discouraged, it isn't a blockable offense. So, I don't really know of a solution besides applying peer pressure by pointing out their behavior in a public forum like a CFD discussion. So far though, I'm not sure if my scolding has had any effect. But thanks for your offer. Liz Read! Talk! 04:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Johnpacklambert (who is banned from cfd discussions) was the main emptier/upmerger of categories he created; why he did not wait for the bot I have no idea. A category with 1 member can easily be emptied in-process if the member is not valid: eg this edit emptied Category:Saint Vincent and the Grenadines expatriate sportspeople in Japan (although he was an expatriate in Japan in 2012, becoming an immigrant in 2020). Many of these expatriate/emigrant/descent categorisations are highly dubious, based on a hasty reading of the article, surmise, guesswork etc, and so a 1-member category is often founded on sand. (It was a mundane nom, following on from previous smaller uncontroversial mundane noms. I agree about AGF.) Oculi (talk) 10:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello miss liz

I have removed the copy righted content on Sindhi traditions and rituals you can check, so can you kindly remove the copyright template. Thanks. AngelicDevil29 (talk) 05:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AngelicDevil29,
Please do not do any more "borrowing" of content. Doing this repeatedly can result in an indefinite block, copyright violations are taken very seriously on Wikipedia.
Also, this is becoming a huge, oversized article. Do not be surprised if another editor comes in and cuts down its size. It is much bigger than articles on very notable subjects and events. You might want to trim it yourself before another editor comes in and does it. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, liz, i not copy any content now, but i guess i can get idea and write it in my own words, also i will trim the article,the article is still in progress, its not completed yet, i probably have to add more content and citations. Thanks. AngelicDevil29 (talk) 05:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Daryush Shokof

Hi Liz, I was hoping that you could restore the article Daryush Shokof to draft for me. You deleted it on 13 June as it lacked sources to pass WP:GNG (which was the right call IMO given the discussion). I didn't participate in the discussion and only became aware of it through another AfD. Since then I've found multiple sources of SIGCOV that were not mentioned in the AfD which sparked my interest in reworking the article. Alvaldi (talk) 10:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, any chance of getting this restored to draft? Alvaldi (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

About the CSD tag on Vårberg Tunnel Rail Station

Hi Liz! Hope all is well. I saw that you removed my CSD tag on the aforementioned page with the edit summary "Removing CSD tag, I don't see how you can claim a sockpuppet created this page. Maybe you are referring to the target article." and just wanted to explain why I had added the tag. The page history is very weird and probably precludes a WP:G5 deletion, but my rationale for adding the tag was that Southwest Place who is a sock of sockmaster Linde Place moved the page from Vårberg metro station to Vårberg Tunnel Rail Station here on 31 May 2020 which is after Linde Place was banned, so I thought it might be G5 eligible because the redirect was created by a sock of a blocked account after the initial account had been blocked via moving the page to that title, but it seems that the sock's move isn't in the redirect's history because Dicklyon who reversed the undiscussed move is credited as the page creator. I'm completely fine though if the page doesn't have a CSD tag added back or anything of the like. It was already at RfD before I added the tag and seems to be heading towards a delete regardless. I mostly wanted to show that I wasn't accidentally saying that Dicklyon, a very helpful editor, is a sock or blocked, which I realized my CSD tag could have been implying. Have a great rest of your day! Cheers! TartarTorte 13:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Liz,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

Reminders


Helping at AFD

Hey Liz. I saw your message at my RFA about needing more closers at AFD. Got any recommendations for AFD closer tutorials/tips I could read? Might be an area I can ease into and help out in a bit after I get up to speed. Thanks a lot. Looking forward to your feedback. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

About Move and Delete article

Hi Liz! I sent you an e-mail. thanks for everything you did to me. goodbye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalicoo (talk • contribs) 21:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Gastón Reyno

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Gastón Reyno. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. JTtheOG (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Closing the discussion of an AfD

Hello, and thank you once again for your comments to improve my editing skills. I would like to ask you about the discussion of Fancade. There was a relist on 17 June to generate a clearer consensus, after that there was only one additional weak keep on June 18 that also states: If more references don't appear, I would support a re-nomination or merge discussion at a later time. Since there were only proposals for weak keep (and one to delete), most comments were actually bordeline, but the discussion closed one day later (relisted on June 18 and closed on June 19). I think it might be better to keep the discussion open for more time, since there was only one additional comment which was actually a bordeline proposal and one day after the relist with one proposal, the discussion was closed. Let me know if you think it might be re-opened, thank you. Chiserc (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 June 2023

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HNLMS Triton

I see that you recently deleted a page by this title on the grounds that it was an unneeded dab page. I did not see the page before it was deleted but I suspect it was not a dab page but a Set Index list page which performs a different purpose and can feature only one or even no blue links with the rest being red links. If so can you please restore it Lyndaship (talk) 11:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The 320 or so emigrant categories

I have gone though all my edits since sometime Friday are made sure none of them emptied a category currently under discussion. I still think no evil of these cases are good fits for the categories under discussion, but I am trying to avoid emptying categories out of place. When we have thousands of categories with one entry, this leads to a situation where editing even egregious mistakes can require way too much discussion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

RevDel

Hiya. As a member of this group, could I trouble you perhaps to have a quick review here? (Relative to RD2 and RD3). I'll consider opening PP myself separately. Thanks! Guliolopez (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Guliolopez,
 Done I've also protected the page for a few days since it seems like the same editor returning on different IP accounts. Let me know if you become a target on any other articles. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon for those who revert vandals. Liz Read! Talk! 21:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Very much appreciated. And, indeed, not first rodeo. Guliolopez (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Deleted page Daria Ramirez

Hello! I’m an editor trying to add Philippines-related topics on English wiki. I was alerted to the fact that you deleted a page on one of our veteran actresses citing source problems. I’d like to ask where I can find the final version before it was deleted and see what I could salvage should I find the time to recreate the article with better parameters. Thank you for your understanding. Borgenland (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Borgenland,
Can you provide a link to the page you are concerned about? Then I can see why it was deleted and if there is anything that can be done about that. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 19:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
It’s @ Daria Ramirez. Borgenland (talk) 19:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Borgenland,
Oh, that helps a lot. I wasn't sure whether it was a draft article or the exact title. That page was deleted as a Proposed deletion which can be restored upon request. So, I see two options: I can restore it to main space but the editor who tagged it for deletion could take it to Articles for Deletion for further review. If it is deleted through AFD, it is much more difficult to restore. Or since you are talking about working on the content, I could restore it to your User space or Draft space where it would be relatively safe for you to work on improving the article. But it's your decision. Liz Read! Talk! 19:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I think draft space is better since I might not be able to challenge a potentially renewed AFD proposal immediately for now and also since it’s currently night time in my timezone. Thanks again for your help! Borgenland (talk) 19:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Greetings and...

Hi Liz! I did hang around for a bit to see if you were going to revert as part of your test, but after a while I guessed that maybe you'd simply forgotten... Pity, 'cos I was hoping you were trying out some cool new anti-vandal tool! Regards, Technopat (talk) 20:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

AFD discussion on User:CastJared's talk

@Timothytyy, MarchOfTheGreyhounds, and Star Mississippi: It seems Jared has no intention of listening to any reason in this discussion as they have now slammed the door on it. Is it time to elevate this to a board? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

This user has received 4 messages about this topic over the course of a month with seemingly no effort to change or improve their behaviour. Recent AfD !votes argue for delete with comments like "I don't care", "this is the second nomination", indicating they don't yet have the policy knowledge to participate in these discussions.
Additionally, they are showing no signs of doing any research into the articles the articles they are discussing. They simply regurgitate consensus. I would support some further action if they are not willing to stop. Discussions can get clogged up enough without this sort of thing. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I definitely support bringing this to AN. The user isn't making a single useful contribution to AFD, and has no signs of improvement. The user even closed the discussion by himself, which shows that the user doesn't have any intentions to stop adding unconstructive "comments" in AFD discussions. Timothytyy (talk) 12:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Apologies for handling this on your talk, Liz, but you were the most recent one to attempt to correct their behavior, and I thought their door slamming was particularly rude. I've opened an AN. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay, I was offline today. I almost filed this last night when they closed the section on their Talk after Liz's note, but didn't want to file and dash. I'm not sure if it's a badly programmed LLM or what, but they were not a productive contributor. I don't think it's a language issue since it's inconsistent, but that could also be thanks to google translate. I think we'll be apologizing to @Deepfriedokra soon as I see them losing TPA and therefore in UTRS. Star Mississippi 02:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for not responding earlier. I swear I'm going to get better about being more timely and consistent with talk page messages. I don't blame you, UtherSRG, for going to AN at this point. When I see behavior at AFD that concerns me (and it's typically newer editors who are over eager and authoritative), I leave a talk page message. Luckily, I've frequently found that it leads the editor to take a break from AFD activity until they gain more experience which is the outcome I was looking for. But in CastJared's case, he seemed to dismiss warnings he received so I don't see that there was an alternative. Plus there were problems beyond AFD participation like harassing IP editors and posting warning notices days after an edit was made. I hope that he can move over to another project like Simple Wikipedia and develop his editing abilities and comprehension of policies and practices. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
DFO waves, wipes sleep from eyes, sips more coffee. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I look forward to using my standard, "does not address," boilerplate if needed. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Those royalty checks for my use of your boilerplates should be coming in any day now... XD - UtherSRG (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Liz. You've always been a great help. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 10:40, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Hey, Liz. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day! Mann Mann (talk) 02:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Liz, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 08:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Happy happy! - UtherSRG (talk) 10:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

10 years!

I actually started editing in 2007 with my previous account but I edited very irregularly and then moved to editing logged out for years until I created this account. I thought I started in July 2013 but I'll take the well wishes whenever they come my way, so thank you very much! Liz Read! Talk! 04:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Slowjamistan/Slowjamastan

It's been deleted before under criterion A11. Twice. And there's already a draft at Draft:Slowjamastan. We don't need two drafts for the same questionably-notable micronation. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 04:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sumanuil,
The fact is, that I put in my edit summary, is that we have dozens of articles on micronations that look just as made up as this original article did. And I think many articles that are Kept could be viewed as promotional as they are one-sided presentations on a topic. I just thought that this one should be evaluated at AFD on the basis of the fact that we have other articles on micronations. If another admin decided to delete it, that was their decision, it doesn't affect my reasoning. It's not unusual for admins to disagree. Liz Read! Talk! 04:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
True, but I still don't see why we need two drafts on the same topic. I'll probably just wait until one of them gets abandoned and can be legitimately deleted for that reason. The people who made the second article clearly don't know about the first one. If they had, they wouldn't have written a whole other article. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 07:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Mail

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Sent some days ago, you might've miss it. Nobody (talk) 06:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Removing a redirect in User Talk namespace

Hi Liz! Am I allowed to blank this page? I have been trying to get rid of it forever as it contains my personal information and you said I can blank it but then when I did it was immediately reverted. What can I do about this? I should be able to at least remove the redirect as the username change is logged in the page history of my talk page. Thanks. FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  16:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, FatalFit,
Sorry for the delay. I've blanked the page and left an edit summary asking that the edit not be reverted. I understand why the editor chose to revert your edit but it's a small issue and I think your wishes should be respected. And, if this happens in the future, you can ask the renamer not to leave a redirect and then there won't be redirects from your former User pages to your current ones. Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

About Amazing World of Dr. Seuss Museum

I noticed you deleted it G5 and I was wondering if it was anything other than a redirect to The Amazing World of Dr. Seuss Museum, which I assume is fine if I make such a redirect now? (Actually that should maybe be moved back to Amazing World of Dr. Seuss Museum?) Thanks for your time. Skynxnex (talk) 02:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Skynxnex,
This sockpuppet created quite a few redirects from titles of childrens' books to their author's article or, like this one, a redirect to The Amazing World of Dr. Seuss Museum. Feel free to recreate any of them that you wish. You can find a list of them in my deletion log from the past few days. But thanks for checking in. Liz Read! Talk! 02:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Question

can you please fix table here, i added new leagues but so hard to keep order; content is fully correct as im familiar with it, just leagues need regional/letter order. even one i added earlier seems to vanish. local users take more time so hoping you read before. regards!

2022–23 Indian State Leagues 93.140.223.73 (talk) 19:15, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 93.140.223.73,
The only tables I've worked on have been for film credits, not sports leagues so I won't be much help here. I'd see who else has edited this article or similar articles or, better yet, go to the WikiProject talk page for the sport and ask for help there. I'm sure someone who familiar with the sport can fix it up quickly for you. If all fails, go to the Teahouse and someone there will either know how to fix it or know who might know. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 19:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Zfort Group

Hello, Liz. I am new here and maybe I don't understand everytning correctly, but I encountered one problem. My article about Zfort Group company constanlty deleted. The reason for this is that for some reason people consider it advertising. But my company has existed for a long time, it employs a large number of people, it is going through a war in Ukraine now and deserves to be on Wikipedia, we show that we are present in this world, several of our employees went to the front, we moved, but we still hold on . I'm not trying to sell anything or put up malicious links. We have been working since 2000 and have the same placement rights as all other similar companies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAM_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalLogic. So I don't really see why everyone deleting my article, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexey Porubai (talk • contribs) 16:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Alexey Porubai,
Well, there were a few problems with Draft:Zfort Group. The language was entirely promotional, it wasn't neutral at all. It looked like a page from the company's website, not an encyclopedic article which has to have a neutral point-of-view. Wikipedia isn't a business directory with sections about clients and the company's accomplishments. This looks like advertising. Secondly, unlike those articles you mentioned, there were no references from secondary, independent reliable sources establishing that this company is notable while the two articles you linked to had dozens of citations. If there are existing articles for companies similar to the one you write about, review those articles to see the tone they have and the citations they have listed which establish a company's notability. If there is no coverage in newspapers, books, magazines or mainstream media websites about this company, then it is likely too soon for the organization to have the notability that is required for a Wikipedia article about a business (see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for more information).
Also, since you refer to the business as "my company", you have a conflict-of-interest here and should not be writing this article as it is almost impossible for an owner, subject or employee to be objective about themselves or their employers. But if you want to work on an article over time to practice, I suggest you create it in your User space, like a Sandbox, and place the tag {{user sandbox}} on the page and it is less likely to be tagged for deletion.
If you have specific questions about article creation or Wikipedia policies on notability or deletion, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice and support. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for that answer. My interest completely coincides with the interest of the company, I have been working in it for 5 years and have never had a desire to be added to Wikipedia. And now I see that our partners are known and generally accepted, but we are not, although we do the same thing, and the only difference that I see is only in the number of employees.
You wrote that it is "not an encyclopedic article which has to have a neutral point-of-view." I'll try to rewrite it due to this style, but I though I already did this, I'll try again.
Also you mentioned a dozens of links to GlobalLogic and Epam, but most of them from their own sites, you can check it by your own. And I have at least 15 mentions about Zfort Group on goverment sites, local news sites and hight-autority niche sites about software developent, will it be enought if I make all this refferences in the new version? Alexey Porubai (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hi @Liz, I hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you have any technical skills. I'm trying to fix some issues with the new articles on the Algeria Portal. I've already reached out to the creator of the robot, but they haven't been active for a year, so I'm not sure if you can help me with this or not.

Best regards Riad Salih (talk) 17:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Riad Salih,
I'm sorry but I don't have very strong technical skills. And regarding the page you linked to, it looks like the bot has been inactive for 12 years and, as you say, the bot operator has been away for almost a year. The only advice I can offer is to look at similar pages for other subjects to see how those pages are structured or go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and pose your question there. Unlike some talk pages, editors are generally fairly quick to respond at VPT and I think you are more likely to find knowledgeable editors there than at the Teahouse. Alternatively, you can scan over VPT and see which editors are most helpful there and approach one of them on their User talk pages. I'm sorry that I can't offer you more specific technical help. Liz Read! Talk! 18:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your response and for your advice. I appreciate your suggestions and will definitely look into posting my question on the Wikipedia Village pump (technical) page. I'm glad to know that there are knowledgeable editors who can help me with my problem.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my message.
Best regards, Riad Salih (talk) 18:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Current Atlantic League team rosters templates

You deleted Category:Current Atlantic League team rosters template on 5 March 2020 as an empty category. I'd like to recreate it to hold five existing templates. Are there any problems with my doing so? -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pemilligan,
I have restored Category:Current Atlantic League team rosters templates. Empty categories are one of the few CSD criteria deletions that are easy to restore if the only reason the category was deleted was that it was empty. Unlike categories deleted in a Categories for Discussion deletion, CSD C1 can be restored as soon as they are needed. You can either a) ask the admin who deleted the category, b) ask for it to be restored at WP:REFUND or c) just recreate it yourself. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Dime Store Prophets

Hi, could you please userfy this article for me? Thanks Chubbles (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chubbles,
 Done You can find it at User:Chubbles/Dime Store Prophets. Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Chubbles (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

DWPM

Hi, you declined the speedy on DWPM, as is indeed your prerogative, but I was surprised you did it based essentially on the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. We spend half our time at the AfC help desk telling people not to worry about what other articles may be out there, and instead only to consider what the various guidelines say.

This article cites three sources, two of which don't even mention DWPM, and a Google search finds nothing of substance – not surprising, really, considering the station hasn't even started operating yet. If this isn't speediable, then I guess I don't really know what is. But you must do as you see fit, and I'm not even asking you to change your mind, I just thought this was a curious decline. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @DoubleGrazing: That station is still under test broadcast and I submit it for review hours ago but suddenly, a user has bypassed it to move it to article space. If you mind, you may take it to WP:AFD if there are problems in it, if not, might better to leave it as is. ThisIsSeanJ (talk) 08:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@ThisIsSeanJ: "if there are problems in it" – you mean other than inadequate referencing and complete lack of any apparent notability? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@DoubleGrazing: Yes. ThisIsSeanJ (talk) 08:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:AFC

Hi Liz, there is a discussion concerning you at WT:AFC#Replacing a redirect. S0091 (talk) 15:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,
Thanks for letting me know. I've commented there. I see some many pages tagged with CSD tags every day, I didn't know a decision to remove a tag would prompt a debate. Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
HI Liz, you didn't respond to @KylieTastic's explanation/offer so I will try again here as I have before to explain an AfC reviewer cannot move/accept a draft if there is something preventing it so a redirect must be deleted before acceptance so it will always still be in pending review status (or under review) with all the templates, etc. For AfC Db-6 requests, you do not need move the draft yourself, nor should you. All you need to do is let the reviewer know you have deleted the redirect and they will handle everything else as the acceptance script does many things automatically including cleaning up the AfC templates/comments so it is silly to require a reviewer do it manually (wastes a reviewer's time). The acceptance script launches a user interface where the title of the article is determined (this is key because if the title exists it cannot be accepted via the script) and where AfC reviewers selects WikiProjects and categories that the script adds (these are selected prior to hitting the 'accept' button). It also automatically adds AfC WikiProject to the talk page and leaves the acceptance message on the user's talk page among other things. I ask you trust us in what we are telling you for AfC Db-6 requests rather than insisting drafts need to be 'ready' (whatever your criteria is) OR as KylieTastic suggested installing the AfC script and do a couple reviews or so to get experience from an AfC reviewer's perspective. If doing reviews is something you are up for, I don't mind picking a couple examples from the feed (a decline, an accept or so) so you can experience it yourself. If you are like me, a picture is worth a thousand words. S0091 (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Reply

I feel it satisfies the general notability guidelines necessary through WP:NFF. Project's filming and it has eyes on it due to it being Eastwood's swan song. I'd be more hesitant if it went from announcement and then the next phase was production without any inbetween, but with the month of casting news preceding, I felt okay it being in mainspace. Rusted AutoParts 01:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Rusted AutoParts,
Okay, I appreciate the explanation. I don't pay special attention to film articles except for a lot of them are PROD'd or sent to AFD. I saw the article on the Move log and the edit summary prompted me to look it over and I was surprised that there wasn't more content. But you deal with film articles regularly so I defer to your judgment. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Laura Elizondo (second message)

I wrote you a message and you didn't feel like answering me. Why did you ignore my message that I wrote you? Please reply to this message that I wrote to you a few weeks ago. Pelon Pelonete (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The article was deleted on Wikipedia Spanish, and therefore, I want that this article be deleted on Wikipedia English, for the same reasons than eswiki. --Pelon Pelonete (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
I await your response carefully, because it was unpleasant that you did not respond to my previous message. By the way, you shouldn't have undone my edit on Laura Elizondo. --Pelon Pelonete (talk) 03:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Pelon Pelonete,
I'm sorry that I missed your message here. I get a lot of activity on this talk page and it's a challenge to keep up with responding while having a lot of other duties on this project. I believe I removed the speedy deletion tag because the only deletion rationale you provided was that the article had been deleted on another Wikipedia. The Criteria for Speedy Deletion on the English Wikipedia are very specific and limited and your rationale didn't fit our CSD criteria. I encourage you to review them at WP:CSD so you can better understand the reasons why we delete articles via speedy deletion on this project. You might have more success with WP:PROD or WP:AFD but you really need a valid reason for deletion other than "this article was deleted on another Wikipedia".
If you have questions about the deletion processes on this project, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse where editors can provide you with advice and support. Again, my apologies for the delay. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Nossa Senhora do Perpétuo Socorro Church

Regarding the revocation of CSD hoax for Draft:Nossa Senhora do Perpétuo Socorro Church. Please see User_talk:Ohnoitsjamie#Yeezard's_edit for background. It's been shown that every single one of their contribution has been to add materially incorrect information. A quick glace looks legit, but their cited references are either broken or the information it is trying to verify fails verification. It's happened so often that it could not be an error. The church article is clearly such example. How should we approach this? Graywalls (talk) 00:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Graywalls,
CSD-tagged hoaxes have to be obvious ones that an admin reviewing a tagged article can easily and quickly see. If they require investigation, then you should either PROD the article or take it to WP:AFD. In these alternative forms of deletion, you can present information on what you have discovered about Yeezard and editors that are interested can research the sources and spend more time on the article than we spend on those pages tagged for speedy deletion.
Alternatively, you could ask Ohnoitsjamie to just delete the page, presenting the argument you stated here. They have spent more time reviewing the editor's work and has a better feel for their activity than I do. I don't have time to do an investigation right now. I'm sorry not to be more help here. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Kenema Government Hospital

Hey Liz, do you think you could start the Kenema Government Hospital wiki article? I would like to contribute to it. Thank you! 2600:1700:8660:E180:A70C:219B:A47A:EF2E (talk) 03:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh i see that it was moved to drafts, thanks!
Hello, 2600:1700:8660:E180:A70C:219B:A47A:EF2E,
Yes, I moved the page to Draft space because it would otherwise be deleted. Feel free to work on the draft article. I am very busy on the project and, unfortunately, I don't spend my time developing draft articles. You might go to articles on similar subjects and see which editors have worked on the article and approach them for help. For general help on editing on Wikipedia, please bring your questions to the Teahouse. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 04:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Arc Manor

Hello Liz. Hope you are well. Please explain to me what is wrong with my articles Arc Manor and Larry Hodges and why are you deleting them? I have several articles written for money, or rather for a nominal fee, because this is not earnings. I found an interesting niche for myself and started writing an article in the direction that interests me, I develop other articles, find references for articles in which there are not enough of them and do other useful things for the Wikipedia project. Please help me recover my articles like Lastofthem (talk) 11:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Please note that I am not writing these articles for money or for remuneration, but because the topic of science fiction and its authors is close to me and I would like to develop this side of the Wikipedia project. I want to write about authors, books about awards, like Mike Resnick Memorial Award which for some reason was merged with article Mike Resnick. Please reconsider your decision, I really want to contribute to the project, and when my endeavors are so thwarted, my hands drop and the desire to do anything disappears. thanks in advance and have a nice day Lastofthem (talk) 12:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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