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Hello Jingiby. Reverts shouldn't happen without a good rationale. The so-called "stable version" is left with errors. I think it is pretty clear from the source in what context "Macedonian" is used, i.e regional. Is that the only issue? Otherwise I don't get why everything was reverted. For the rest, I was simply following the source too. "Dissident" is also not present in the source. In fact, the source uses "many" as a quantity for the circles. StephenMacky1 (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, on greater clarity regarding the author's Stephane Groueff view expressed on the Macedonian question in his book Crown of Thorns, see here Ninth chapter. The Macedonian drama and IMRO.: In Europe, there was no more cruel and tragic history than that of modern Macedonia. Inhabited by Bulgarians, Turks, Greeks, Romanians, Albanians, Serbs and other minorities, this unhappy land had known the cruel Ottoman yoke for five centuries, and in 1903 an unsuccessful popular uprising followed by fierce repression; the defeats of the Balkan War for its liberation and its division among the liberators, before it became a devastated battlefield in the First World War. Because of traditional hatred and rivalry between the Balkan nations, often encouraged by the Great Powers, and because of Great Bulgarian, Great Serbian and Great Greek chauvinistic ideas, leading sometimes to reckless decisions, these events caused enormous suffering to the population, which consisted mainly of Bulgarians. It is obvious that the author, who was from an old generation of Bulgarians, uses the term Macedonians in its regional meaning, i.e. Macedonian Bulgarians. It's like that throughout the whole book. Macedonian and Bulgarians are equal in ethnic sense for him. The author was a Bulgarian, and you know that even today this is the understanding of the many of the Bulgarians who think that the Macedonians are in fact Bulgarians. My opinion is different and you know it. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 18:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If that was the only issue, then "Macedonian Bulgarian" can be retained. Even though I think that even simply "Macedonian" won't confuse readers. The article, for the most part, is about the past anyway. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As for the term dissident, it was probably added because in Yugoslavia it was hardly possible to celebrate the assassination of the king. Otherwise, it was not clear from the previous version that the term Macedonian is actually Macedonian-Bulgarian. Please change the article so, to keep the context of the terms. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 19:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The term "dissident" was added by a sockmaster with no explanation. I don't see why we should use unsupported terms. Anyway, I have another suggestion. We can keep the context clear by having wikilinks for the circles. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 05:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]