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Has anybody an idea, how to avoid the space in front of the "George Elliot" include?--Pflastertreter (talk) 15:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks, as if i could fix it. --Pflastertreter (talk) 15:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elliot vs. Elliott[edit]

Basically those today with the name Elliot came from the Northumbrian; nothern end is in the borders of Scotland. Name derived for Elwald meaning in high German an owned/inhabited forest measured in Scottish ells, as opposed to low German Elwold meaning a own wood(s), were the name Ellwood in Cumbria is derived from. The Elliott of England mainly derive their name from Wm de Aliot, of France, which settled in Southern UK, around St Germain/Port Eliot, then later added the extra "l" and "t", but the Elliott of the rest of the world are from planting Scots or Ulster/Scots into the English Plantations of the world, such as Australia, New Zealand, America, Barbados, and so on. MSE 1/31/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.12.104 (talk) 19:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is ELLIOTT redirected here? Why isn't ELLIOT redirected to ELLIOTT? Who gets to make this choice, anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simkiott (talk • contribs) 16:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC) I kno right?! they r just so annoyin! i need elliott NOT "elliot" AMEN brother (or sister) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.10.185 (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this question has merit. "Elliott" is a more common spelling than "Elliot" (and makes more sense, but that's a matter of personal taste on my part). It's only natural that "Elliott" be the article name. --Konaya (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. There is no reason given on the page for the Elliot spelling to be the page's name. It is not the original nor the most common spelling. Most people with the surname Elliott (which is the most common) spend their whole lives getting others to add that T. Now the people who misspell are going to do a Google search, see the Wikipedia page title, and get it wrong again.

And we can't change the title (e.g., Move the page) because of the recursive "redirect" loop. Oneoneoneone1111 (talk) 14:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elliot is the predominant spelling in the Scottish Borders and Elliott is everywhere else. Eliot is Cornish and Eliott is the chiefly line - this was only created when two Sir Gilbert Elliots lived next door to each other, both magistrates and there needed to be some differentiation between the two on legal documents. There were no hard and fast rules on spelling the name and in the 17th Century there were numerous documents spelling one Elliot three different ways. The origins of the name are now thought to be Breton.

Female name?[edit]

The article currently says: "Although the given name was historically given to males, females named Elliot have seen an increase in recent years." This statement seems overbroad. To the best of my knowledge, only one notable female has Elliot as a given name (Elliot Reid, a character in Scrubs). Can anyone name any other notable women (real or fictional) with this name, or a reliable source which says that the name is becoming popular as a woman's given name? If not, I believe the aforementioned sentence should be rephrased. Richwales (talk · contribs) 05:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can. Sting's daughter Coco Sumner (20) was born Eliot Paulina Sumner. -andy 217.50.53.134 (talk) 16:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Leverage[edit]

TNT's Leverage, his name is Eliot Spencer. It's a given name, not an example of a surname. 99.151.46.145 (talk) 15:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clan Elliot[edit]

Should this article be merged with Clan Elliot? or is the distinction between the Scottish Clan and the name alone being made? Je.rrt (talk) 00:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The name has different origins in southern England, so as a wider assessment of the surname, it should be kept separate from the Border family. DaveHMBA (talk) 11:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Faulty Sourcing[edit]

The item above and fn.11 to the main article include a reference to EAWC, which is a transcription of the 1215 Magna Carta. However, it does not mention Geoffrey Eliot nor the Abbot of Hyde. The 1297 version confirmed by Edward I mentions the Abbot of Hyde as a witness, but does not name him. My own search of the Internet has failed to turn this "Geoffrey Eliot" up. Hyde Abbey itself is near Winchester in Hampshire, not Hyde on the Sussex coast. DaveHMBA (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The English name[edit]

Contrary to a lot of the speculation in the article, the origin of the English name is in Ely, Cambridgeshire. The first recorded sign of the name relates to Henry Elyot at the Priory of St Mary and St. Radegund in Cambridge in about 1180. http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F2703%2FNuns%2F192 An Elyat (or Elyot) is in Bury St. Edmunds in 1188. By 1220, Elyot is well-established in Cambridge in Great St Andrew's Parish where a William Elyot appears. A William Eliot appears in about 1270 in the same parish. http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F2938%2FCCCC09%2F10;sib0=14

The name reaches London quite soon after. In the Museum of London is (to quote the caption at http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image/61217/bronze-jug-14th-century) "a bronze jug with three feet and three bands of lettering around the neck and body. The neck is straight with a pointed spout. The body is fat and bulbous. This fine bronze jug is inscribed: "+THOMAS:E[L]YOT/ +HI RECOMAND ME TO EU/ +WYLLEAM:ELYOT" ".

Unless the claim about the Abbot of Hyde can be proven, the name seems to go into Sussex in the 14th century as Godefro Elyot at Thakham and William Elyot in Grinstead are listed in the Subsidy Rolls of 1327 & 1332. William Elyot was Constable of Horsham in 1401: CPR, 1399-1401, p. 458 Thomas Elyot (1420-67) a Filacer (issuer of the Royal Writs) is buried at Wonersh church in Surrey, not far north of Horsham. http://www.wonershchurch.org.uk/Groups/227050/Windows_and_Brasses.aspx

William Elyot of Cheshunt (north of London) received land at Kingston-upon-Thames around this time: Grant by John, son of John Donnyng of Kyngeston, to William Elyot, of Chestehunte, of a grange and land in Kyngeston. Thursday, the feast of St. Edmund the King. 17 Edward III. (1343) From: 'Deeds: B.1601 - B.1700', A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 1 (1890), pp. 369-377. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64227

My own family research suggests the Surrey Elyots changed to Eliott in about 1500 and then changed to Elliott during the 1700s (see Elliott v Davenport 1705, a famous legal case about Wills brought by the main family) and settled on it by the end of the 18th century.

It is not made easier by a member of the Eliot clan Stobs family, George Augustus Eliott, (1717–1790), the defender of Gibraltar, being made 1st Baron Heathfield, which is in Sussex, although he died childless.

As far as the West Country version goes, William Elyot appears in the Somerset Assizes rolls in 1257. However, the name is best known from the Eliots of Cornwall at Port Eliot/St. Germans, who it has been well-argued at http://www.selectsurnames2.com/elliott2.html were originally among the Bretons accompanying William the Conqueror and received lands in the West Country as their reward. From there, it is argued, some went to Scotland in the time of David I and were the forebears of the Scottish family.

Lady Elliot in:'The Elliots: The Story of a Border Clan' says: "Around 1650 someone added an "i" to our name to make it Elliot, which was without a doubt unfortunate as it confuses the clan with a well-known English Norman family called Eliot who settled in West England". That would exclude the idea that the Cornish Eliots set the clan up a few centuries earlier, but it is said that this was some means of expressing solidarity with John Eliot, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eliot_(statesman) , who was regularly imprisoned by Charles I until his death in 1632.

DaveHMBA (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DNA[edit]

The Elliot Clan Society has an extensive list of DNA results at http://www.elliotclan.com/history/genealogy/elliot-dna-lineages/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gallgaedhil/haplo_elliotts.htm which pointy to native origins for the clan. However, the three contributions from Sussex do suggest a native origin in the area or the unusual J haplotype from southern Europe. DaveHMBA (talk) 13:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]