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Unactionable theorizing with no policy-compliant sources. Acroterion(talk) 17:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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First of all, so much of this is wrong. Qanon evolved from the original Anonymous hacktavist group. And in 2012 anonymous announced project mayhem and project Tyler to start a project to make a way to get information out to WikiLeaks safe and anonymously and dump it all to the world. Quinn Michaels
https://x.com/quinnmichaels was a huge part of this, now as a lot of anons being atheist and anarchists, they would hide mischievous messages in the code. Then Quinn started asking for donations which is against anonymous creed and anonymous kicked him from the collective. Much of this you can find on x using #tyler or #game23
Well people started to follow it on twitter and Quinn and the guys started to troll people with it, while in the mean time turning project Tyler into a quantum ai program which is now indra.ai
https://indra.ai
This is about all I will go into on this right now. I will see if you will allow me to go on with this. If so I will give you references, dox, and archives to prove the truth on the true Qanon... as Quinn Anon Anoneemooseguy (talk) 16:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can research all I said. And get back to me here if you like. I am more than happy to get Quinn's exposure out to this whole fiasco. Anoneemooseguy (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, you make a case, you are asked to back it up with sources, you get wp:consensus to make the change (and please read wp:blp, as right now this might well be removable if you continue to make unsubstantiated allegations). Slatersteven (talk) 16:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i made the case. The references are there. It's all there as said. What do I need to do more to give you references? Go through the hash tags, go through the GitHub. It's all there. Use hashtag #game23 on x you will see. Quinn is Q. I gave you all the refrwncea and proof. Anoneemooseguy (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read wp:rs and then explain how these sources pass it. Slatersteven (talk) 16:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever random documents someone uploaded to GitHub are not likely RS. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those random githubs have dates. I've also gave you his x which you can go through all of his twitter to all the way back to dates along with Tyler's twitter. Also gave you the website of the actual ai https://indra.ai
If you don't want the truth, cool no problem. Let it be as is. IDC thought ild help. 47.218.203.231 (talk) 16:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You want to make an edit, it is down to you to do the work, so its simple question.
Provide a quote (just one line) that says he is Qanon? Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also read wp:or, it is not enough for you to analyze wp:primary sources, RS have to have come to the same conclusions as you. Slatersteven (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
do you guys even know what GitHub is? These are actual repositories that are used to run the programs. These are the actual programs. And the dates and all are there, and even deeper in the actual code is all you need to do to find all this out. But again. I did my part. I guess it doesn't need told them if they want to take it down so be it. 47.218.203.231 (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We know what GitHub is. Read about what a reliable source on Wikipedia is, please. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still waiting for that quote. Slatersteven (talk) 17:03, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm over it. Just trying to help.
Take it or leave it. Makes no difference.
I'm a old anon.
I know and was there when it all went down. I find it crazy that people are so swooned by stuff and directed to things to be said one-way or another when it's literally right there.
But Wikipedia has always been a force to print what they deem right or wrong no matter what is literally there or not. Anoneemooseguy (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still waiting on those references, cause that GitHub link ain't it. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i got that, but Quinn is not going to say hey I'm q. The Q literally stands for Quinn. You can find all the proof in the code as I said, and all of it through him tagging Tyler and in his programs. But no, there is not going to be anywhere he says oh hey guys I'm q Anoneemooseguy (talk) 17:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not going anywhere I think we can close this. Slatersteven (talk) 17:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Erroneous citation inclusion for lead sentence[edit]
I accidentally added a duplicate citation to the lead while fixing a typo in a quote in it. I attempted to remove it as it was included by accident and doesn't support the lead sentence, but I was reverted twice by @Orangemike. Bringing here for further discussion. Isi96 (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The citation in question is as follows: Thomas, W. F. (February 11, 2022). "Telegram: The Social Network Where Conspiracies Meet". Logically. Archived from the original on March 26, 2023. Retrieved 2023-03-26. Similarly, in the group for Disclose.tv, a sketchy news aggregator site that began as a paranormal and conspiracy theory forum, users shared links to other channels filled with neo-Nazi propaganda. It's cited in the Antisemitism section, but was mistakenly added to the lead. Isi96 (talk) 05:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:QAnon is no longer used on biographical articles. Do you think we should create a subcategory called "QAnon followers" (or maybe "QAnon supporters" or "QAnon promoters") ? It might be useful for people like Ron Watkins, Jim Watkins, L. Lin Wood, Lionel and such. Psychloppos (talk) 11:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QAnon is categorized as an American Fascist movement. However, there is little to indicate a following of Fascist beliefs and principles as laid out by Fascist philosophers other than Nationalism. They haven't spoken in favor of Fascist figures like Mussolini or even Hitler. They may certainly be a far-right movement but definitely not a Fascist movement. Hence, the category American Fascist movements ought to be removed. Listenhereyadonkey (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They often side with Trump, so there's that.... There are numerous RS that connect him with fascist ideas, values, and rhetoric. Here's an interesting thesis. BTW, he, of course, has no clue what fascism really is. He just uses the word to attack left-wingers, even though it's a right-wing ideology that best describes him and his most die-hard followers. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fascism isn't necessarily either left or right, and in regard to economics, it's actually more left wing. Trump's ideology, while there are parallels to be drawn to Fascism is not a Fascist ideology. The only two shared characteristics are Nationalism and strong man leadership, neither of which are inherently Fascist or exclusive to it and can apply to a multitude of ideologies. Trump's ideology is just Right-Wing Populist Nationalism. It isn't even remotely similar to actual Fascism as it was envisioned and practiced by Fascist philosophers like Gentile, Mussolini, and D'Annunzio, among others. Fascism emphasizes state control, national unity under a powerful government, big government, collectivism, and a Nationalist directive. There's a very distinct philosophy there centered around collective nationalist unity. It's almost a spiritual philosophy that again is very different from Trump's ideology. To be Fascist means to follow a very specific ideology and to call anyone who is a nationalist or an authoritarian or is far-right a fascist based solely on those characteristics that would be gravely inaccurate. Listenhereyadonkey (talk) 01:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there are reliable sources explicitly identifying QAnon as fascist, I'd be inclined to remove the category. It is unquestionably a far right conspiracy theory. And has been so labeled by numerous sources. But I haven't run into any calling it fascist. Trump's allegedly fascist inclinations are neither here nor there. See WP:SYNTH. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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