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Slobodan Jovanovic left.jpg

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Croatian revert war about to start

There are the beginnings of a revert war rumbling with regard to the Croatian language. Somebody removed Croatia from Category:Serbo-Croatian-speaking countries and territories, with the comment that there is no such thing as a Serbo-Croatian language. I put it back in the category, with a comment; someone has removed it again--with the comment that the language is "not in use" there, with a link to a section of the article that says the idea of a Serbo-Croatian language is controversial in Croatia.
There is an article on the Serbo-Croatian language; that article presents the language as having four standardized forms: Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and possibly Montenegrin. There is also, of course, the category I just mentioned.
I have no particular strong feelings one way or the other about whether these four languages are four different languages in a family, or four different official varieties of one language. I also recognize that in this case, national, political, and religious considerations would certainly color the question.
But as it stands now, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro are in the category. I do think that EITHER we ought to include all those countries, or we should remove them all. In that case the category should not exist.Uporządnicki (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

This is clearly nationalist turf, but the decision on what to do depends on a sober analysis whether insisting on a particular linguistic categorization of countries is the most useful course of action. For example, South Africa is categorized as Category:Afrikaans-speaking countries and territories, but linguistic categorization could easily put it into Category:Dutch-speaking countries and territories. Pakistan is in Category:Hindustani-speaking countries and territories but Category:Urdu-speaking countries and territories is also used. Hence, creating a subcategory Category:Croatian-speaking countries and territories seems like a trivial way to avoid the entire flamewar. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
A sober, objective analysis inevitably brings one to the necessity of renaming the "language" articles (Croatian, Serbian etc) into "standard" articles, and striking all reference to them as "languages". As they are not such. And that just for a start. Of course, in this issue, the community is directed also by non-scientific concerns, and the issue is therefore entirely dependent on the weight given to said concerns; which is entirely a matter of personal views. I myself give them some, but very little, weight. I believe Croatia must necessarily be included in said category directly and uncompromisingly. -- Director (talk) 07:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Standard languages are languages. In other news, yellow onions are onions. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
My understanding is that they are standards of one language, not "standard languages". In other news, Ford makes several different models of cars, all of which are Fords. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:41, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The key point is that each of the Ford car models is still a car. Imagine doing the equivalent of what Direktor proposed - strike all references to a Fiesta as a car and strictly refer to it as a model of a car, because to do so otherwise just isn't scientific enough! :) (Also, I take issue with the view that genetic linguistics is strictly more valuable than sociolinguistics in a general-purpose encyclopedia. That's a slippery slope that would lead to having the article about water renamed H2O, because "science".) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:47, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps we should stick to what reliable non-ex-Yugoslav linguistic sources say about them instead of adopting one description or another. Surely there is scope to accommodate a range of linguistic models in the article about Serbo-Croatian and other relevant articles should take their lead from it. As an Australian who has lived and worked with English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, Kiwis and Americans, I am keenly aware of the significant differences between the varieties of the English language. I deal with it in smaller respects every day on WP with center vs. centre, recognize vs. recognise, and many Australian idioms other native English speakers don't even understand etc. I think we need to set the local linguistic sources and the nationalistic stuff to one side when dealing with this issue (good luck with that...), and focus on what the outsiders say about the language and its variations. Thoughts? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
The European Union just made Croatian language one of its official languages. It is therefore quite clear that there is some serious reference to Croatian as a separate language - including a debate by the European Parliament whether to make Croatian or BCS (i.e. SC) its official language - clearly indicating that they were choosing from two distinct languages. Linguists will argue over that, but it is very clear that the real world considers Croatian a separate language. I presume a continuously shrinking minority will continue to view Croatian and Serbian as a single language, but population of Serbia (yearbook p.32), Croatia ((7,800 speakers of SC vs 4.1M speakers of Croatian and 59K speakers of Serbian) perceive the languages as distinct. Even though the languages are generally mutually intelligible (decades of coexistence in the same country, where considerable efforts were made to "unify" the languages were made, made some impact), it is perfectly clear to educated speakers of either of the two that it is not possible to write a professional paper in the opposite (unless one is trained to speak the particular language) without coming off as illiterate. I understand the urgency to reinforce the case of the Serbo-Croatian by few linguists who stake their entire careers on its viability now that Croatian and Serbian have somehow been given "seal of approval" by the EU, but the simple matter of fact is that both Croatian and Serbo-Croatian are various forms of languages (see: Ausbausprache, Abstandsprache and Dachsprache). The major difference, and presumably the most hurtful to the above referenced group of linguists is that the Serbo-Croatian is doomed to fail just like Czechoslovak language. The process takes time, but moves inevitably. (see also: [1]).--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Unlike Tomobe03, I won't even enter into the discussion that hints at value judgement, my main point is that a typical foreigner's description of Croatia would be that those people over there speak Croatian, whatever that is; likewise for Serbia. It's a legitimate term as such, a plausible search term, and also a defining characteristic (see the analogous thread at Talk:Croatia). All the (neutral) literature out there that describes Serbo-Croatian as a concept also describes the standard languages, usually in the same breath. There's simply nothing wrong with using that terminology in the encyclopedia. Even if we assume bad faith (which we shouldn't), WP:POVTITLE still applies! --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Croatian is not a "standard language", but a standard ("standardized register") of a language. SC is the "language". That's where the sources stand. The sources (by kwami et al) do not relativize this issue in the least. Generally speaking, they refer to Croatian as an "ethno-political variant of the Serbo-Croatian language". Such word games are pointless. If we're pandering to Croatian public opinion (which is in some measure present with us here), we must at least admit that. The excuses are myriad, just go to Talk:Serbo-Croatian to read them all several times, but they're all equally hollow. To pretend policy and/or sources somehow support the current state of affairs is plain ridiculous. -- Director (talk) 23:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Register is something else entirely and has nothing to do with this topic. Croatian is considered a "standardised variety" of Serbo-Croatian language (by which it is meant that it is a) one of the forms of Serbo-Croatian, a "pluricentric" language, and b) that its form is standardised, i.e. described and proscribed by its own language governing authority). But that is simply its linguistic description and has little to do with their sociolinguistic status. And the fact is that, for better or worse, no speaker of what linguists call Serbo-Croatian (except maybe Direktor) consider their language to be "Serbo-Croatian". This includes constitutions and scholars of four countries where varieties of the language is spoken (which is btw the reason why Serbia recognizes "Croatian" as a minority language and vice versa), and also, by extension, international organisations such as European Union. Linguistics simply does not decide whether something is a language, a variety, or a dialect. Sociolinguistics does. So trying to refute (or support, for that matter) the idea that Croatian language exists by recycling arguments about its linguistic description leads nowhere. In a nutshell, Croatian language exists simply because the Croatian Constitution, HAZU and the European Union say it does, and that is what Wikipedia should report. And Serbo-Croatian is no more spoken in Croatia or Serbia than Czechoslovak language is spoken in the Czech Republic or Slovakia. Timbouctou (talk) 00:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to respond to this. You are of course aware of the existence of our article "standard language"? Or that Britannica also knows the concept of a "standard language", and indeed seems to specifically discuss it in the case of S-C? Is that all just "ridiculous" original research that somehow snuck in while nobody was looking? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Languages become languages after what had been considered a dialect (usually the one seen as most prestigious) is taken as a model around which overall standardisation occurs, which means it is described and given preference in public discourse over all others (like English which had become standardised around the language spoken by scholars at Oxford and Cambridge). Varieties is what you get when you have more than one standardised dialect coexisting in parallel, and therefore this results in a "pluricentric" language (like English, which later came to have more than one standard variety with the emergence of American English and perhaps Australian English - note that other varieties are also based on other dialects which had to be selected for that purpose). This is sociolinguistics 101, and if you are interested you can read more about it in George Yule's The Study of Language and Trudgill's Sociolinguistics. Both should be available at Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences library as virtually all students of English at Zagreb University are required to read. The issue with Serbo-Croatian is that its linguistic description does not match its sociopolitical status, and that is where sociolinguistics come in. Since there is no clear cut distinction between a dialect and language in linguistics (we can only say whether something is standardised or not), and the standardisation always occurs around a dialect which was usually chosen for mainly political reasons (as was the case in English as well), the distinction between the two is always based on social and political arguments (see "A language is a dialect with an army and navy"). It is a very vague linguistic territory and there is no more linguistic reason not to consider Serbo-Croatian a group of several languages, as opposed to a single language with four different varieties, just like there is no linguistic argument against the idea that American English or Swiss German are separate languages, as opposed to the common view that they are varieties of English and German. The determining factor here is purely sociopolitical - while linguists study closeness of languages and will therefore always see Croatian and Serbian as closely related (i.e. varieties of the same thing), that does not necessarily have to be the case in all other walks of life. And as you know, for all other non-linguistic purposes, Serbo-Croatian simply does not exist. 99.99% of its speakers see it as a set of mutually intelligible but separate languages, constitutions of several countries along with their national academies say so themselves, and international organisations regard them as separate. This exactly the opposite from other pluricentric languages like German or English, which are regarded as one in spite of differences of their varieties. So the issue here has little to do with linguistic or its linguistic description and everything to do with its social status, i.e. how they are perceived. Or, like our article on Snježana Kordić says: " Pluricentricity of language does not imply linguistic unification. Each nation can codify its variant on its own. Kordić criticizes a romantic view of language and nation, which is very widespread in Croatia. The romantic idea that the nation and the language must match has its roots in 19th century Germany, but by the middle of the 20th century, the scientific community abandoned that idea. Furthermore, Kordić argues against political interference in linguistics. As regards the name of the language, Kordić discusses only the name to be used in linguistics, leaving non-linguists to name the language any way they prefer.". Timbouctou (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, the classic Tim essay.. there's an unpleasant memory :). Yup this page is looking pretty much like Talk:Serbo-Croatian. It would be pointless to go into this any further here and now, but suffices to say: forget Croatian sources. I am not at this time equipped with books to address this sufficiently (linguistics are very far from my areas of interest), but kwami et al. have gone through the material in great detail, and I have read excerpts from their refs. Non-local linguistic sources certainly appear to be very unambiguous about this: its a "standard of the Sero-Croatian language" like the article says anyway. -- Director (talk) 19:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Since Croatia is not a linguistics article I fail to see why solely linguistic criteria would be used to categorize the article. And literally every single source, local or not, clearly describes Croatia as a country where "Croatian language" is spoken, from the CIA to the European Union. Timbouctou (talk) 22:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Kosovo and Vojvodina province articles merge

Please see Kosovo in SFR Yugoslavia and help decide on the most appropriate name for the topic, or indeed any other course of action. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Ditto for SAP Vojvodina. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Federal subjects of Yugoslavia

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RFC on Stana Katic

Everyone please be aware that I have posted a Request for Comments at Talk:Stana Katic, requesting outside opinions as to whether or not this biographical article (about a Canadian actress of Serbo-Croatian ancestry) should include Serbian / Croatian forms of Katic's name. This issue has been discussed / argued / edit-warred for a very, very long time. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 20:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian)

This article's currently undergoing FA review and it would be greatly appreciated if some users could offer their in-put on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian)/archive1. Thanks, 23 editor (talk) 23:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Yugoslavia in World War II needs editing

This article, rated high-importance by wikiproject Yugoslavia, is extremely stubby. All help appreciated. Cheers, walk victor falk talk 14:19, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Yugoslav Navy#Marines

What is the current fate of the 12 Naval Infantry Brigade of the Yugoslav navy? In the article there is no direct indication that it disbanded. 90.189.106.180 (talk) 02:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 June 7‎#Yugoslavian language. I believe it could benefit from comments by people knowledgable of topic. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

obveznika?

What a obveznika when it's at home? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Probably the conscripts (people obliged for military service in case of need) in genitive.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
An obveznik is a person liable to perform some duty, depending on the context it could be military service (vojni obveznik), payment of taxes (porezni obveznik) etc. The -a suffix denotes non-nominative case, but without a context, it's impossible to say which (might be genitive, might be accusative, or even locative if preceded by a preposition), moreover this way it is impossible to say if it's singular or plural (both are possible). If necessary, provide me the full sentence, and I'll sort it out for you. Cheers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
G'day Tom. Good point. In this context: Mihailović, kao službeni predstavnik vlade, dao je ovoj naredbi važnost mobilizacijskog oglasa u ratnim uvjetima, upozoravajući na to da nitko od vojnih obveznika nije razriješen zakletve »na vernost kralju i otadžbini« i da će svatko tko mu se ne odazove biti smatran vojnim bjeguncem, kojem će se suditi po ratnim zakonima vojske Kraljevine Jugoslavije, I assume refers to "military service". What about this? Limsko-sandžački četnički odredi raspolagali su sa 15.349 obveznika i oko 200 oficira, a od naoružanja imali su 13.116 pušaka, 51 puškomitraljez, 15 mitraljeza i pet minobacača. Bez obzira na to što se nemali broj »obveznika« vodio formalno po popisu, Durišićeva četnička formacija predstavljala je najbrojniju a istodobno i najelitniju jedinicu Draže Mihailovića u to vrijeme. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

League of Reformist Forces

I've just created this article on a political party which contested the 1990 elections in Macedonia. However, I suspect it may be the Macedonian branch of the Union of Reform Forces. Could someone confirm or otherwise? If it is, I'll merge the content in. Cheers, Number 57 21:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've found out for myself. Number 57 20:25, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Which variety of Serbocroatian?

Which variety of Serbo-Croatian is this document?

Bosnian? Serbian? Croatian? WhisperToMe (talk) 10:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

There are some spelling errors, it is obvious that it was mostly literally translated from English. Because it's not ekavian, and because of the words pasoš, kablovska, it could be Bosnian, or just written by someone with little regard for spelling :) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! User:Lüboslóv Yęzýkin stated that it was Croatian on another page WhisperToMe (talk) 13:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Michael Parenti's views on the former Yugoslavia

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Category for Massacres of Yugoslavians (outside Yugoslavia)

In 1943, 45 prisoners were massacred (I presume on the same day) in Karasjok (village) in Norway. (This massacre is dwarfed by the Beisfjord massacre in Norway, during World War Two.) Is there any category for Yugoslavians massacred outside of Yugoslavia? Both massacres might be notable in that context. --Neckbet (talk) 10:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Missing central committee articles

The League of Communists of Yugoslavia (LCY) is missing central committee articles akeen to the ones the Communist Party of China (18th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China for instance) and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (20th Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for instance) have. LCY is currently missing 13 of 13;

Does anyone have a URL link (or a book) which lists all the members? --TIAYN (talk) 10:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Miroslav Filipović#Request for comment

Interested editors might like to consider commenting on whether the lead of this article should mention that Filipović was a military chaplain and Catholic friar who was expelled from the Franciscan order before the end of the war but was not excommunicated by the Catholic Church. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Yugoslav people of World War II

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Talk:Yugoslav reunification

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A-Class review for 7th Army (Kingdom of Yugoslavia) needs attention

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Gudovac massacre

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Josip Broz Tito

Why isn't the article called 'Tito', as per WP:COMMONNAME? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 12:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Yugoslavia in the Eurovision:Language of performances

Hi! I would like to invite those of you who might be interested to share your thoughts on question I raised on Talk:Yugoslavia in the Eurovision Song Contest.--MirkoS18 (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Category:Hero Cities of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has been nominated for discussion

Category:Hero Cities of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Request for comments

There is a request for comments that is likely of interest to this project at Talk:Rajka_Baković#Request for comments. --- Otr500 (talk) 15:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Albanian Commemorative Medal has been nominated for discussion

Category:Recipients of the Albanian Commemorative Medal, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

Greetings WikiProject Yugoslavia/Archive 4 Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Yugoslav Star has been nominated for discussion

Category:Recipients of the Order of the Yugoslav Star, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC notice

Here is a link to an RfC that relates to this WikiProject: Talk:Banjica concentration camp#RfC about the use of Cohen's Serbia's Secret War Your input would be appreciated. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC notice

Here is a link to an RfC that relates to this WikiProject: Talk:Philip J. Cohen#RfC about the use of a blog as a source on Philip J. Cohen's book Your input would be appreciated. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The categorization and stub sorting pages need to be updated

Or they could be deleted. At the moment they're entirely useless and just cluttering up the page, because they haven't been edited in years and – if I'm understanding correctly – the lists were originally created in 2004. ~barakokula31 (talk) 15:25, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report

We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, Community Tech bot will post at Wikipedia:WikiProject Yugoslavia/Archive 4/Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of WikiProject Yugoslavia.

We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:

  • The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
  • The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
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We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Yugoslavia, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Yugoslavia vs. Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics

Hello, we would like your input on where FR Yugoslavia's results at the Olympics should be listed. Here is the relevant discussion. JoshMartini007 (talk) 18:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move discussion needing more input

See Talk:Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland order of battle#Requested move 21 August 2018. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Requested move discussion needing more input

See Talk:Central National Committee of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia#Requested move 24 September 2018. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC - Operation Storm

There is a RfC that is of interest to this project here. Feel free to have your say. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Category renaming discussion

G'day all, if you are interested, there is discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 20 about the renaming of two categories relating to Chetniks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:38, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

"Serbo-Croatian"

A discussion related to ISO classification of "Serbo-Croatian" as a linguistic cluster, or macrolanguage, consisted of four individual languages, is taking place here. Feel free to join the discussion. Sorabino (talk) 11:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Yugoslavs for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Yugoslavs is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Yugoslavs until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 00:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Minority Languages ​​in Country Article Infobox (Serbia)

Hello, I guess that some of you may be interested to express your opinion on RfC if the country infobox (Serbia in this case) should contain "Recognised regional or minority languages" or should they be removed. The RfC can be seen on THIS LINK. Best regards and thank you for your contribution.--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Demographics of the Western Balkans has been nominated for discussion

Category:Demographics of the Western Balkans has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC on whether MOS:ETHNICITY should be ignored or not for the Nikola Tesla biography

Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity#RfC:_Should_ethnicity_be_removed_from_the_lead? Notrium (talk) 16:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment in this WikiProject

If you are interested, there is a request for comment about an article in this WikiProject. Talk:Tripartite Pact#Request for comment: infobox. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion needing input

G'day all, there is a discussion at Talk:World War II in Yugoslavia#Infobox list Axis 1941 – September 1943 about the order of entities in a segment of the infobox. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion of interest

Members of this project might be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

More reviewers needed for WWII FAC about the Chetnik political program

G'day all, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ba Congress/archive1 has image and source reviews, and one editor has expressed an interest in reviewing, but it could do with a couple more, otherwise it is in danger of being archived. Any assistance would be appreciated. NB: My nom. Thanks in anticipation, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Maps for bilateral relations articles

If anyone is interested and free please consider creating maps for articles on bilateral relations of Yugoslavia. Very good example is map in the article on Romania–Yugoslavia relations.--MirkoS18 (talk) 14:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

First women elected in Yugoslavia

Hello. The women listed below were the first to be elected to parliament in Yugoslavia in 1945, but I am trying to work out which part of Yugoslavia they were elected from (which modern-day country). Is anyone able to help (Mikola22)? Cheers, Number 57 19:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Assembly

  1. Bosa Cvetić
  2. Božidarka Kika Damjanović-Marković
  3. Elizabeta Frntić
  4. Milka Kufrin
  5. Ljubilnka Milosavljević
  6. Milka Minić
  7. Mara Naceva
  8. Vida Tomšič
  9. Stanka Veselinov-Munćan

House of Nationalities

  1. Vera Aceva
  2. Spasenija Babović
  3. Anka Berus
  4. Ljiljana Čalovska
  5. Pepca Kardelj
  6. Veselinka Malinska
  7. Radmila Manojlović
  8. Mira Milošević
  9. Mitra Mitrović
  10. Zora Nikolić
  11. Kata Pejnović
  12. Lidija Šentjurc


Croatia

  • Kata Pejnović, Anka Berus, Milka Kufrin

Serbia

  • Bosa Cvetić, Božidarka Kika Damjanović-Marković, Ljubilnka Milosavljević, Milka Minić, Stanka Veselinov-Munćan, Spasenija Babović, Mitra Mitrović

Macedonia

  • Mara Naceva, Vera Aceva, Ljiljana Čalovska, Veselinka Malinska

Slovenia

  • Vida Tomšič, Pepca Kardelj, Lidija Šentjurc

Unknown

  • Elizabeta Frntić, Radmila Manojlović, Mira Milošević, Zora Nikolić

@Number 57: This is what I know. Mikola22 (talk) 20:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mikola22: Thanks. Where did you get this info from? I ideally need a source to state where they were elected. Cheers, Number 57 20:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
@Number 57: Google, but find RS for all these women it is very difficult. I've barely found something for Croatia. Mikola22 (talk) 20:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Public holidays in Yugoslavia

Notice

The article Public holidays in Yugoslavia has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:V and WP:GNG There are no references, my search for references did not find any WP:RS. The two other language articles have similar content and no reference.

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Croatian Spring at FAC

Hello all! There is a FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Croatian Spring/archive1 I have recently nominated. Since the article is within the scope of this WikiProject, I thought to post here to attract more interest from editors who might post comments at the review page. Cheers --Tomobe03 (talk) 22:47, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Create a WWII task force?

There's a plentiful of articles dedicated to the World War II in Yugoslavia just jumbled together with non-WWII stuff in the WP Yugoslavia categories, and sometimes it's hard to judge importance of certain WWII articles (important events) for the whole WikiProject. Hence, I propose creating a World War II task force for WikiProject Yugoslavia. There is already an initiative for getting as many of these articles to featured status as possible. -Vipz (talk) 01:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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