Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/American Revolutionary War task force/Archive 3

Merge Battle of Vaudreuil into Battle of the Cedars

I've proposed to "merge" (by redirect) Battle of Vaudreuil into Battle of the Cedars (discussion here). The Vaudreuil article is an empty stub, and the action at the Cedars is sufficiently complex that establishing context for the skirmish would mean mostly duplicating the Cedars page. This will also mean updating {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Canada}}. Magic♪piano 21:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and did this. Magic♪piano 19:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Campaignbox changes

I'd like to propose splitting {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Northern 1777}} into two or more campaignboxes. My motivations:

• it's currently a grab-bag where frequently unrelated events follow one another
• the events in it cluster somewhat naturally into other groupings
• I have additional articles in mind

The current contents of the campaignbox, and how I would divide them:

Article	Location	Proposed grouping
Battle of Ridgefield	CT	Northern coast 1776-1781
Battle of Freetown	MA	Northern coast 1776-1781
Battle of Cobleskill	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Wyoming	PA frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Big Runaway	PA frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Rhode Island	RI	Northern coast 1776-1781
Attack on German Flatts (1778)	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Carleton's Raid (1778)	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Cherry Valley massacre	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Stony Point	NY south	New York City area
Battle of Minisink	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Penobscot Expedition	ME	Northern coast 1776-1781
Sullivan Expedition	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Paulus Hook	NJ	New York City area
Battle of Newtown	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Young's House	NY south	New York City area
Battle of Springfield (1780)	NJ	New York City area
Royalton Raid	NY/VT frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Klock's Field	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781
Battle of Groton Heights	CT	Northern coast 1776-1781
Battle of Johnstown	NY frontier	Northern frontier 1778-1781

I would add to the above the following events for consideration, some of which do not currently have mention in WP:

Article	Location	Proposed grouping	Comment
Battle of Fort Cumberland	Nova Scotia	Northern coast 1776-1781	currently a little out of place in the Canadian invasion campaignbox
John Allan's Expedition	ME/NS	Northern coast 1776-1781	1777 failed attempt by John Allan to invade Nova Scotia
Raid on Machias	ME	Northern coast 1776-1781	1777 raid by George Collier

There is also the possibility to add articles about raids by privateers on Charlottetown, PEI, Lunenburg, NS, and Annapolis, NS, although these may be too minor to warrant their own pages.

This would create two new campaignboxes:

• Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Northern coast 1776-1781 (5-8 events from above, could instead extend {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: American Waters}}, but that seems to be about mainly naval actions, where some of these are really just land-based actions)
• Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: New York City area 1778-1781 (65 events)

The current box would be retitled "Northern frontier 1778-1781" (and have 1112 events). I'm more than happy to consider better names for these, these names were pretty much off the top of my head. (A few of the groupings are also arguable. e.g. Ridgefield could also be in New York City area.)

Comments? Magic♪piano 14:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a good plan. As part of an expedition to the frontier, the Battle of Newtown belongs in the frontier box, rather than the NYC box. —Kevin Myers 14:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh of course - my bad. Fixed... Magic♪piano 15:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems fine to me as well. --dashiellx (talk) 02:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I've now made these changes. Magic♪piano 03:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Action of 11 August 1778

I have proposed deletion of Action of 11 August 1778. If someone here thinks the action is sufficiently distinctive from the Battle of Rhode Island (which it is a prelude to) to warrant a separate page, feel free to de-PROD (and perhaps expand the details in one place or the other). Currently neither page indicates there is much "action" beyond a storm. Magic♪piano 02:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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Badge of Military Merit

Hi folks, I've been helping work on this Revolutionary-War-related article for some time but I am absolutely not an expert on military history. I think I've gotten it as far as I can using online sources and without some specialized history books or journals. One of the problems with the online refs is that they are becoming circular and using uncited info from the Wikipedia article itself. I've tried to make the article as clear and accurate as I can but I know it's still kind of a mess, so I'm asking for your help.

There are three main problems with the article: 1) Is it the first U.S. military award? The second? The first U.S. military combat award? Is there a difference? 2) Were there two or three awards announced by General Washington? (One badge of merit and one? or two? badges of distinction?) 3) Are all those discharges that say the veteran was awarded the "Badge of Merit" (I have copies of my own ancestor's discharge with that wording) getting a Badge of Military Merit (of which only three were supposedly awarded) or a Badge of Distinction?

According to the sources I've found, most of the answers to these questions are pretty clear, but another editor, Armycaptain (also likely doing most of the IP edits), in my opinion, is putting his personal spin on the available data, to the point where it may be original research. As far as I can tell, the online record is mum on what the wording on the discharges means or whether there has been any discussion or controversy among experts on the matter.

My recommendation is that the speculation be taken out of the article and rock solid military history sources be added to back up what's left. Some of the sources used are from groups whose scholarship may not be the best (even some of the U.S. military sites seem not so great), and with a dash of wishful thinking besides. If this subpage doesn't get much traffic, please link to this note where it may get seen by someone who can help. Several third opinions simply helping keep an eye on things would be great too, since right now it's only been me, the other editor and, and a few passerby working on it. Thanks for your attention! Katr67 (talk) 22:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

P.S. It's probably quite clear that I think I'm right and the other editor is wrong, but I respect what he is trying to do and hope some additional opinions will shed light on the matters that are controversial. In other words, I don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong! :) Katr67 (talk) 22:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

PROD Nathaniel Greenheath

I have proposed deletion of Nathaniel Greenheath, an orphan article created by an anon editor, and lacking in citation for two years. Brief web and other searches turn up nothing of interest. Magic♪piano 16:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

PROD John Thornton

I've proposed deletion of John Thornton (colonel), which (like the above article), was created by an anonymous editor, and is uncited. Searches I did only turn up a relatively non-notable (IMHO) individual containing few facts claimed in the article. Magic♪piano 15:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

This may refer to John Thornton of Virginia, listed Metcalf's Society of the Cincinnati as a lieutenant colonel under Colonel William Grayson in his "Additional Continental Regiment." (p. 310; no description of service) I'm no expert on King's Mountain, but Thornton's name doesn't appear in Draper's classic on the subject, or anywhere in Boatner's encyclopedia. As I understand it, Patrick Ferguson had eight balls in him before the battle was over, so lots of men could reasonably claim (and even more unreasonably so) to have fired the kill shot. BusterD (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Based on this source, it appears Lt. Col. Thornton may be the subject of this PROD. The claims of relationship to Washington may be indicated by his position under Grayson, himself close to his CO. Even if true, I'm not seeing sufficient notability. BusterD (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

That's probably the same individual I've found references to. As you say, not particularly notable. Magic♪piano 16:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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Battle of Sullivan's Island moved

Someone has moved Battle of Sullivan's Island to Action of June 28, 1776. Comment is invited on the talk page. (It is possible the user is a page-move vandal.) Magic♪piano 03:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

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