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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 00:14, 21 August 2011 [1].


Twenty-five Year Award[edit]

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Nominator(s): Found5dollar (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because i feel it is complete and of a topic that is under represented in FL. There are a few red links, but that is to encourage the creation of those pages as opposed to just leaving the topics unlinkedFound5dollar (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Okay, stupid question time. Why is this notable? There's all of one citation to any other body than the one that awards the award. We need more independent sources to establish notability, though I've no real question they could be found. Courcelles 01:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would be very easy for me to add more references to this list, but they would only be re-referencing stuff the main reference link does. I could add more filler in the opening paragraphs with fluff from other reliable sources, as there are tons, but I feel that that would degrade the quality of the opening. It was much easier, and more reliable, to reference the AIA's own list it keeps on its webpage instead of individually referencing each years award with a different news article saying that building got an award that year. This sort of relying on primary sources seems to be very common with award featured lists such as Rumford Prize ( 2 refs not from the awarding body), List of Nobel laureates in Economics andList of Nobel laureates in Chemistry (1 ref each not from Nobel), just to name a few. I don't think you would say that the Nobel Prize in Chemistry isn't notable because only one cite is from a source other than the Nobel Commitee's website. --Found5dollar (talk) 03:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Notice, though, that List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry clearly establishes the notability of the subject in the parent article, Nobel Prize in Chemistry. This has no parent article, so we do need to establish the notability of the subject; an award that no one but the awarding body bothers to write about should not have an article, and this article appears like one of those as it stands. Courcelles 04:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I have added in more references from varied reliable sources.--Found5dollar (talk) 13:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment... Just a few little things from a general point of view:

  • In the first sentence, it should be exemplify instead of exemplifies. Since that's not exactly what the quote says, you should put the word in brackets.
done
  • Also, according to the MOS, punctuation marks like commas and periods should generally go outside of quotation marks.
done
  • "Buildings with Eero Saarinen as one of the architects..." seems a little clunky. I'd like to see it reworded.
done
  • "...and Ludwig Mies van der Rohe has been honored for three of his buildings in America." It should probably be United States instead.
Done
  • And the the red links are bothering me. Are FLs allowed to have red links?
I have stated above why i left the four or so red links. I am also not sure if they are allowable, or if i just should unlink them. --Found5dollar (talk) 12:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hardly know this process at all... Am I allowed to edit this article myself? Does that mean I surrender my right to support it? I still see a few more niggling points I'd like to clear up... Bobnorwal (talk) 02:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to help copy-edit the list, you're more than welcome to. Just say that you did so when you go to review further or support. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, let me comment on a couple of the things above. If the source has punctuation inside the quotation marks, it should be that way in the article (haven't checked on whether that's the case). And the FL criteria allow for a "minimal proportion" of red links. It's questionable as to what percentage is acceptable, but the current five red links seems reasonable to me. Anyway, welcome to reviewing! We always need more people checking articles and lists at these processes. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Eligibility: Hyphen in "twenty-five" numerous times but none in "thirty five"? Should be consistent, so put a hyphen in there.
done
  • In the table: de-capitalize Awarded in the Year Awarded heading, since it's not a proper noun.
done
  • The hyphens in the image column would look better as some kind of dash.
done
Missed the one for the Weyerhaeuser Headquarters. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry abotu that, done for real now.--Found5dollar (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be nice to have a note about what the year links go to. Without one, the readers may think that the links go to articles about those years, which aren't of relevance to this list. It's only when you hover over them that you see the relation to the list topic.
Done
If I may make one grammatical suggestion, I think "as well as has a link" would be better as a simpler "and has a link". Happy that a note has been included, though. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are completely right, suggestion taken and added.--Found5dollar (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Found5dollar (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Alright, I've taken another couple of looks over this article. Notice, I made a couple more small copyediting changes. I'm just about ready to pledge my support but I have a question. Maybe it's been addressed already... but, what about the entries that don't have images? I'm not sure the rules on that... it's not really a deal breaker for me. But, hopefully, pictures could be found and added, someday? Bobnorwal (talk) 00:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have always been under the impression that as long as a picture can be added in the future, and that a minority of the entries are missing images, it is ok. There does not seem to be a written FL rule on the subject.--Found5dollar (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, then... It really is a nice article. Honestly, I don't know why more people don't hurry up and pledge their support. It seems like a no-brainer, really. Bobnorwal (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mild oppose
  • Is the title right? I googled it, got only 18k hits. Our own category here says "AIA Twenty-five Year Award"...
The AIA is the orginization which hands out the award, not part of the award's name.--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "significance." [2] " remove space before ref.
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"The Twenty-five Year Award was first awarded in 1969," perhaps avoid repetition and go for "presented" rather than "awarded"?

Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date the most recent winner (i.e "The most recent winner, in 201x, was...")
i added in the year to the sentence.--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Buildings which Eero Saarinen contributed.." > "Buildings to which Eero Saarinen has contributed..."
done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • & Merrill -> and Merrill.
This is the official way their company name is listed when the buildings received the award.--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Out of the..." no need for "Out"
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Twenty-five Year Award can be awarded to any type of architectural project, not just a single building." seems unnecessary with the following sentence stating explicitly what the award can be given to.
Combined sentences--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For a structure to be eligible to win the Twenty-five..." you mean "For a project..." or similar because you went to lengths to say it wasn't as simple as a structure being the awardee, perhaps a group of buildings...
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In fact, this section is confusing as it goes on to talk about "the building" implying a single entity, contradicting the "not just a single building" statement...
tweaked wording around--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "handed out" a little colloquial, perhaps "presented"?
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Building/city -> perhaps Building (city) so we're clear.

I tied this, but with the addition of the "(s)" adde dont o "Buildings(s) it looked strange...--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Should Building be "Building(s)" given the above discussion?
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "860-880" en-dash required.
Done--Found5dollar (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Boston Globe -> The Boston Globe.
Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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