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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:50, 4 August 2008 [1].

List of actors nominated for Academy Awards for foreign language performances[edit]

Bringing another Academy Awards list to FLC. sephiroth bcr (converse) 08:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment bah, tried hard but it may be possible that list nomination is pretty good (in my opinion). The Rambling Man (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great job!--Crzycheetah 19:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comment - For an actor or actress to be eligible for any of the Academy Awards for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, or Best Supporting Actress for a foreign language performance in a film produced outside the United States, the film must have been commercially released in Los Angeles County. Actors or actresses that have foreign language performances in films released in the United States are not subject to this requirement. - this doesn't appear to make sense. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • A foreign language performance is not speaking English in whatever role. The film itself can be produced inside the United States or outside of it. This simply notes for films produced outside the United States, they need a release in LA County for the actors or actresses to be considered eligible for any Academy Award. sephiroth bcr (converse) 03:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem is that it seems to read as: "foreign language performances in films produced outside the US must be released in LA. Films released in the US are not subject to this requirement." I'd advise changing "in films released in the United States" to "films produced in". Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And while I haven't seen those particular films, I'm fairly certain that Liv Ullman speaks Swedish and Marion Cotillard speaks French. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 14:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed as well. sephiroth bcr (converse) 09:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Any chance of having a lighter yellow for "Won Academy Award" cells? It seems strange to have such a vivid yellow in opposition to the light color of the "Nominee" cells. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would suggest the same yellow used in the template could be used for consistency. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would be superb, actually. Looks like it warrants replacing #FFD800 with #FAEB86. Any takers? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from BomBom

Comment: The list in its current form contains a number of factual errors:

1) The opening sentence is misleading. It gives the impression that prior to 1961, Acaddemy rules did not allow awards to be handed to foreign language performances. It should be rephrased to make it clear that 1961 was simply the first occurrence of such an event.
2) "Actors or actresses that have foreign language performances in films produced in the United States are not subject to this requirement." This is absolutely wrong. ALL films, regardless of their language or nationality, must be released in Los Angeles County in order to be eligible for an Acting Award (or any other "regular" Academy Award for that matter). This has always been the case throughout the Academy's history and is made clear in the current rules (Rule Two, § 2): "All eligible motion picture [...], must be: [...] c) for paid admission in a commercial motion picture theater in Los Angeles County".[2] Foreign language performances and English-language performances are treated exactly the same way. The only additional requirement for a foreign language performance is that it must contain English subtitles in order to be eligible for competition (Rule Two, § 8). [3]
  • You still do not mention the need for English subtitles. It's an important eligibility requirement.BomBom (talk) 01:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
3) Ida Kaminska's performance in The Shop on Main Street was in Slovak, not in Czech.
  • Well, your source is simply wrong, even though it's the official Academy website. All of the film's dialogue is in Slovak. See [4] and [5].
4) It is debatable whether sign languages should be considered as foreign languages. The source you cite does list them as such. However, this had previously caused controversy in another Wikipedia article. In any case, if you really wish to include such performances, then you must mention all of them. The list currently has several omissions, such as Holly Hunter's British sign language performance in The Piano.
  • Again, I'm going off the list the Academy is providing, which is what they consider a foreign language performance. I would assume Hunter's performance was not considered a "foreign language performance" for whatever reason. The rule of thumb is verifiability, not truth. sephiroth bcr (converse) 00:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, I personally think that it would be better to make a distinction between foreign language performances in foreign language films, and foreign language performances in predominantly English-speaking American films such as The Godfather Part II or Dances with Wolves. I believe the latter should be listed in a separate section of the article. I'm really sorry for being so picky, but a featured list is supposed to represent the very best Wikipedia has to offer. Apart from that, I have nothing to say about the general layout of the article. Great work! Regards. BomBom (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's five films that would fall under that description. If half the list fell under that description, I would be more inclined, but in this case, I don't think a whole section is necessary. And don't worry about being picky - it's what FLC is for :p sephiroth bcr (converse) 00:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe not an entire section then. But it would be useful if you had at least a footnote or a sentence in the lead section explaining why these five films are distinct from all the others on the list. The casual uninformed reader is very likely to think that all of the films listed are foreign language films, which is not the case. BomBom (talk) 01:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added. sephiroth bcr (converse) 06:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thanks for taking into account all of my remarks! BomBom (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks pretty good, I have one quibble though and that's that Sophia Loren's screenshot is from Five miles to Midnight, not Two Women or Marriage Italian-Style. It's a little misleading. Is there an image from either of those two movies or one that is clearly not a screenshot so there is no possible confusion? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both movies would be copyrighted, and thus the images would be fair use. I can stick the infobox picture for Robert De Niro (although he looks way different in The Godfather Part II) if you want. sephiroth bcr (converse) 20:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support since BomBom's comments have been seen to. Good lead, good layout—good list. Cliff smith talk 00:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this excellent list per addressing my comment and others' comments. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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