Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of United States Navy ratings/archive1

List of United States Navy ratings[edit]

This list has been a project of mine for sometime now. I believe it meets all the criteria for a featured list. The list is very useful, comprehensive, accurate, uncontroversial, well-constructed, and stable. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 17:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at one description: Special Warfare Operator. The text has problems with sentence structure and spelling (frigid, travelling?), and do they all open one parachute? Should it be "beachhead"?
Special Warfare Operators are Navy SEALS they are trained to jump from airplanes at high altitudes and open their parachute are low proximity to the earth into frigged waters, jump from helicopters travailing 30 knots at 30 feet over the water with no parachute. Oversee ocean-borne mine disposal, carry out direct action raids against military targets, conduct reconnaissance and secure beach heads for invading amphibious forces.[8]
The table structure itself seems good, but the text needs copyediting. Gimmetrow 19:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have rewritten alot of the sections and everything seems to be in order now. Please let me know if that remedied the problem. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 06:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See below. Gimmetrow 13:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Can you please explain the capitalization of each rating word? Some of the newly created articles have already been moved per WP:MOS. Michaelas10 (Talk) 15:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC) 10:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the capitalization is that each rating is a proper title and the names of the ratings are the subject of each section. So, being used in that context would make the ratings nouns.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 03:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you meant to say they are proper nouns, like shown here. Rfrisbie^talk 03:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that would be correct.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 05:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a follow up to the above. Very few areas of society are as formal as the military so it is hard to draw comparisons at times. While it is common to see a term like Associate professor in the civilian world you would never see a person's rank or title shown as Lieutenant colonel or Commanding officer in the military. Ranks, titles, etc... are always capitalized. The best equivalent I could think of is if someone is a Queens Counsel in the UK. A formal title describing their job. It would not be shown as Queen's counsel. Hope this helps--Looper5920 20:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As another follow-up, if someone is incorrectly moving articles, they should be moved back. Rfrisbie^talk 03:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is off topic but I think I missed something....is the above comment somehow directed at me?--Looper5920 11:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who moved the articles, and I don't care who moves them back. I'm just saying proper nouns should be represented as such in article names, and incorrectly moved articles should be moved back by someone. Rfrisbie^talk 13:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

added link to enlisted; fixed link to officer; good work Hmains 04:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmains – can you clarify if this is a support or a comment. Colin°^Talk 13:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support A very nice list. Colin°^Talk 13:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I've fixed my concerns myself. Excellent list. Michaelas10 (Talk) 20:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a very nice list, indeed, that is useful for anyone wanting information on the subject. Tennis DyNamiTe ^{(sign here)} 00:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Very nice. --Arctic Gnome 21:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Covers the topic in its own right. Well illustrated.--GunnarRene 21:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I made a quick pass through the text, removing four typos. The text needs more copy-editing. The phrases "also" and "in addition" are usually unnecessary and weaken a text, so most were removed. Common terms seem over wiki-linked. The job descriptions are very similar to those in the Navy ROTC pdf. While this may not be a copyvio (government texts are usually public domain), it seems inappropriate for featured content. Gimmetrow 13:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Gimmetrow – are your concerns enough for you to object to it being featured? I ask because it has had 10 days and has enough support otherwise. I encourage you to be bold here since this list contains a lot of text (more than most lists) that should be of a high quality. Regardless, I hope the author's take on board your suggestions and arrange for some copy-editing help. Wrt copying text: the article does admit this (in the References section). A lot of the list entries are effectively definitions. In my experience, it is very hard to rewrite a definition from a single source without either introducing OR or weakening it. If the body text at the top is copied, then I agree that should be improved. Colin°^Talk 13:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be happy to go through again and correct any typos or errors and try to rewrite the descriptions but honestly there isn't much I can do without making the text weaker. No part of the lead or top sections have been copied in fact they have been rewritten several times. As for the comment regarding overlinking, prior to adding the list to FLC I showed the list to one of your reviewers, User:Michaelas10 and the comment was made that many of the technical terms weren't linked according to WP:CONTEXT so I linked all relevant terms seemingly to his liking. If you would like me to delink them thats no problem either but, I don't want to loose support from one reviewer just to gain it from another. Thanks, — WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 17:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lead and the first section is not over-linked in the least. In the later sections, however, there are some very common, non-technical, terms that don't need linking, like "schools" for example. Since those are just a list of common buildings, they don't need links. --GunnarRene 17:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the over-linking that I saw.--GunnarRene 18:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed a few more things. Can these sentences be rephrased: "These were titles of the jobs that individuals were actually performing and became the basis for petty officers and ratings. During this time, ship crews were taken from civilian life and enlisted for only one cruise, thus making the job at hand rather than career possibilities the primary consideration." This suggests that the current ratings are not titles of jobs that individuals actually perform. I see what you want to say, but this could be clearer. Gimmetrow 19:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- (was asked on talk to explain this) These sentences seem to contain important information. Apparently the titles began as simple job titles and changed somehow. That could be explained better. Gimmetrow 01:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]