Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Senedd/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Karanacs 22:11, 27 March 2010 [1].

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Senedd

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Nominator(s): Seth Whales (talk) 12:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Featured article candidates/Senedd/archive1
• Featured article candidates/Senedd/archive2

I am nominating this for featured article because I have improved the article since the last FAC and the second Peer Review. Seth Whales (talk) 12:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. No dab links. External link to http://www.fritzhansen.com/Renderers/ShowMedia.ashx?i=MediaArchive%3A%2FPDF%2FReferenceBook.pdf is dead. Alt text present, but needs some work. For example, it is not immediately verifiable to a non-expert from the first image alone that it is the Senedd; thus, that name should not be in there. Try to describe the content of the image—what it looks like, not what you know it is. See WP:ALT for further advice and examples. Ucucha 13:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
  • External link to http://www.fritzhansen.com/Renderers/ShowMedia.ashx?i=MediaArchive%3A%2FPDF%2FReferenceBook.pdf is not dead, but it does take some time to load, granted. WP:ALT just slightly changed. Seth Whales (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Looking good now, thanks. Ucucha 20:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
• Image copyright review:
  • File:Floor of the Siambr (Senedd building).jpg appears to be a derivative work of a copyrighted artwork.
  • File:Axonometric drawing of the Senedd.jpg appears to fail WP:NFCC#8 as removing it would not impair readers' understanding of the article.
• No further issues. Stifle (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
  • These very same issues were discussed in the first FAC. The reason why I believe File:Axonometric drawing of the Senedd.jpg should still be included is because it illustrates what the architect said, "The idea was that steps rise out of the water and there is a whole public domain where people meet each other and look down on the Assembly Members". File:Floor of the Siambr (Senedd building).jpg is a domed artwork (i.e. 3D) although it does appear to be 2D (see www.assemblywales.org), therefore no different to File:Senedd meeting place on the plinth.jpg or any other 3D image. On both issues, if the consensus is to remove these images, I have no problem in doing so, but I believe the article will lose valuable information and illustration by doing so. Seth Whales (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Striking the first objection then; I will maintain the second but we'll see what the consensus is. Stifle (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Oppose—1a. Needs an independent copy-edit. Overlinked. I haven't gone much further than the lead; that was enough to show the issues.

• Why is "English" linked? You'd think having got as far as en.WP, they'd know what it was. Why are "energy consumption" and "renewable technologies" linked (the latter is too vague a target, anyway). Please do a link audit on the whole article; see WP:OVERLINK.
• Please link only the most specific geographical item (e.g., Cardiff), and leave the rest unlinked, since they are already linked in the specific target article. Why is the pound sterling symbol linked?
• This sentence doesn't seem to make sense: "It was designed to be sustainable, have a design life of 100 years, the use of Welsh materials, minimal energy consumption and waste, and the use of renewable technologies."
• "The Senedd building is situated in the former Cardiff Docks area of Cardiff, approximately 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) south of Cardiff Castle." Can "situated" be binned? Why is "Cardiff" appear three times? Surely "area of Cardiff" can be removed. "About" would be nicer than the hedgehog "approximately". The converted unit is normally abbreviated; why is the metric unit not the main one?
• The images are, in some cases, very small. Please boost. The doublet Siambr pics are squintish. Please consider vertically arranging, about twice the px size. These all contain architectural details: please let us see without forcing diversion to the original file; that is very slow for those on dial-up. Tony (talk) 10:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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