Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rape/archive1

Rape[edit]

A thorough article with many sources listed. --kralahome 00:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object- no inline citations provided. AndyZ 01:34, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object- major POV and attribution problems. --Pascal666 04:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object: Quotations should be moved to WikiQuote. --Carnildo 05:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object - I feel this article has a while to go before it is ready to be featured. My main objection is on the article's structure - this article tries to spend a brief moment discussing a wide range of topics that could loosely come under the banner of rape. While a comprehensive article is desirable, many of the sections of the article need only a brief mention in the article (if that). My suggestion would be to look at dramatic restructuring of the article focusing on a handful of distinct headings that you feel best summarise the article. Don't worry if you leave out some aspects on the topic of rape or shift them to a sub-article.

Specifically, some sections that could be replaced with a brief paragraph or sentence referencing a sub-article include:

The Reporting section
The Sociobiological analysis of rape section

Some sections that could be amalgamated (or at least placed sequentially next to one another) include:

The role of control and loss of privacy in rape and Rapists sections
The Law, Reporting, Rape and human rights and Rape and punishment sections

Some sections that could be removed and their material excluded or incorporated elsewhere in the article include:

The Non-sexual usage of term section
The Quotes section which could be placed as side-boxes throughout the article (see the very cool Template:Cquote)

Finally the Some aspects of rape section is like a miscellanea on rape section. How to incorporate the contents of this section into the article has to be rethought.

Cedars 05:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object - Can't possibly be comprehensive, as there are "Expansion Request" tags scattered throughout it. I also agree with Cedars, above. Expand and fork. Fieari 17:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object - Does not represent a trans-biological view. Ksenon 08:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean transgender I tried to add that catagory and it was deleted twice. I will report it to some agencies. If it's important to you you might add it.--12.211.21.87 20:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)survivor[reply]
Just wanted to add that I found this article full of POV rape myths last year. It has made tremendous progress since then and I am very proud of it. A good sample of a rape entry for an encyclopedia is groliers online http://www.ncwiseowl.org/ --Survivor 06:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object. Article is currently unstable. Furthermore, like Ksenon says, it does not account for animal behaviour. Mallards have been observed to engage in rape, and so has seals. So has many other species. No analysis is provided on this, and it is totally anthrocentric, with lots of systemic bias. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 11:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
object article is far from complete. Needs to show how females commit sexual assault and rape which is often very different in form from how males do it (eg Physical versus psychological tactics) Also needs a sound section on the known causes of rape because rape myths are a big feminist political football and because we show the effects of rape here.
It was just changed recently to include gender classifications so of course it wont be complete soon. What do causes of rape have to do with rape myths? Rape myths are lists of incorrect ideas usually based on victim blaming and the just world theory. They protect survivors from slander.--12.211.21.87 05:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)survivor[reply]
object I think this article has degenerated badly over the last few months, and no longer gives a balanced, detailed discussion of the subject, but rather a list of quotes emphasising victimhood. The history section is confused, since the historical development of the term and of the concept of what constitutes "rape" is not explored in detail. Contrary to the assertions of User:Natalinasmpf non-human rape is discussed, but its discussion is truncated. Paul B 01:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I feel most of the problem with this page is that it is often POV against victims. After all- the survivor of rape is just that. You are discussing rape- rape is a crime which has a perpetrator and a victim. I can't imagine why on earth anyone would be biased against victims of violent crime. I also think the history needs work. It completely ignores the introduction of rape crisis centers in the 1970's. That was a huge event and very pertinent to the subject. I know some people here don't like feminists but they are part of the history. --12.211.21.87 21:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Object: It is one thing to protect survivors from slander and quite another to protect people who use rape for political purposes to pander to self-serving POV's at the expense of other survivors or at the expense of a whole gender. I want to see ALL POV's here. Victimhood is a valid POV but so are the POV's of view of those who are beyond victimhood and those who commit sex offense crimes. Victims of female perps receive almost no acknowledgement, resources and justice in a rape crisis industry dominated by feminists who spout simplistic and thoughtless slogans about the patriarchy, male domination, and rape as a weapon that all men use to dominate all women. What nonsense, as women rape women, often their own children and women rape men too... again often their own children or other dependents. In Unspeakable Acts: Men who Molest Children Author Douglass Prior notes how his courageous attempts to listen to male molesters about why they committed their crimes was often squelched and/or rejected by the establishment researchers. He also noted that many of these men were themselves molested by both men and women in childhood. The shameless, simplistic, and status quo male power and control 'female-victim as innocent saint' against all males as monsters rhetoric is beginning to stink to high heaven. We need to have NPOV balance here and be skeptical of all POV's, especially those most connected to 'movements' and their associated political ploys and that includes male movements too.Anacapa 03:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]