Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Leptospirosis/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 29 January 2020 [1].

Leptospirosis[edit]

Nominator(s): Cerevisae (talk) 14:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Leptospirosis disease. I see it reasonable for featured article nomination after substational expansion in 2019. Thank you.Cerevisae (talk) 14:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Graham Beards[edit]

This can't be right " If infected, cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) examination shows lymphocytic predominance with a cell count of 500/mm3". How can you be so precise? I have counted my fair share of cells in CSF.

Done added "about".Cerevisae (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but not done. What if I were to telephone you in the middle of the night and say "342 cells, 70% lymphocytes". We need more for an FA. Graham Beards (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This needs clarifying, "During the first eight days of infection, the bacteria can be detected by quantitative PCR and can reach as high is 10^6 bacteria per ml of blood". PCR detects DNA not bacteria cells. I have read the citation (and the one cited in the citation) and it is not clear to me how the qPCR has been calibrated to correlate copies of DNA with numbers of bacteria.

Done. Removed whole sentence. Unable to find additional sources to support this.Cerevisae (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see any discussion on the clinical utility of blood cultures.

Done. It is used in epidemiological studies only.Cerevisae (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not. I have incubated and tested loads of routine blood cultures where the suspected (speculated) diagnosis was leptospirosis. Graham Beards (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am also seeing quite a bit of bad grammar. In my opinion, this article is not ready for FA (or FAC) and should be withdrawn. Graham Beards (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the instructions at FAC; done and not done check marks should be avoided. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SG: suggest withdrawal[edit]

What I am seeing initially (just scanning the page) is a lot of copyediting needs, samples only:

The people at the highest risk for leptospirosis are young people whose age ranges from 5–16 years old, and can also range to young adults.
The duration of bacteria being consistently present in animal urine are long.
The lead is quite choppy. And repetitive (“most common”).

There are also WP:MOSNUM issues throughout. A thorough MOS review is needed for things like image captions, NBSPs, a lack of as of dates, wikilinking, etc.
A surprisingly large number of the sources are quite dated, which is always a concern in medical articles (WP:MEDDATE). As but a few examples only (there are more), why are these recent reviews not used?

I realize the Peer review got zero feedback after waiting a long time, but I suspect this article could benefit from more eyes before being submitted to FAC, and may not be quite ready.

While it is unfortunate that the peer review garnered zero feedback, I suggest this FAC be withdrawn and re-submitted after a copyedit, MOS review, and use of more recent sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your understanding. I use Google searches to find the latest review articles. Therefore, I missed the latest reviews. Thanks for your feedback.Cerevisae (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article might help you: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches. You really have to go to Pubmed, and restrict your search to Reviews during the last five years. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With a little leeway for a "History" section. :-) Graham Beards (talk) 00:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note -- Hi Cerevisae, per the recommendations for withdrawal, I'm going to archive this. As well as acting on the suggestions above, you could consider giving the FAC mentoring scheme a try to assist with a future nomination. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 09:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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