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The article was archived by Ealdgyth via FACBot (talk) 25 August 2020 [1].

Everything I Wanted[edit]

Nominator(s): The Ultimate Boss (talk) 06:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a song by American singer Billie Eilish. It was her second top-ten hit in the United States, peaking at number 8 on the US Billboard Hot 100. I have brought up the article to GA status. The article has also received a copyedit [2] and a peer review. [3] The Ultimate Boss (talk) 06:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest withdrawal as at this time it appears that many of the comments from the previous FAC have not been addressed. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC

Nikkimaria It has been suggested that the article get a copy edit and peer review. I withdrew the first nomination for Everything I Wanted and had to wait almost 2 months for both of these to be completed. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 20:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Here are some concerns that I've found that are by no means exhaustive:

  • In October 2019, Finneas O'Connell said he and his sister Billie Eilish were working on new music.[1] In November of that year, Eilish announced the release of two new songs and a music video for the song "Xanny", which was released the following month.[2][3] → I don't see the mention of "two new songs" necessary; if they are connected to this song, please specify
  • Eilish and O'Connell—who is best-known by his stage name Finneas— → redundant, can be mentioned in the first sentence
  • it began as a feeling of Eilish's depression → How can a song begin with a feeling of depression? Do you mean the song's inspiration or songwriting process instead?
  • The single's cover art ... was made by Jason Anderson → Not a good choice of word imo
  • There have been concerns about the verifiability of Musicnotes.com
  • The track has been described as a house and electronica-influenced pop and alternative pop track in press reviews; → by whom?
  • Eilish said "Everything I Wanted" was inspired by a dream in which she died after jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. → This is the same thing discussed in the previous section; plus the Golden Gate Bridge clue can be linked to the cover art, if there are sources for that
  • The majority of the discussion part on the lyrics is about the influence of depression/mental illness on the song, which has been more or less covered in the previous section and thus makes the flow very bloated. I recommend to state it once and for all
  • "Everything I Wanted" was met with mainly positive reviews from music critics → passive voice; plus a potential case of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH
  • The critical reception section is a quotefarm
  • Per WP:MOSTABLE it's usually not recommended for tables within article (non-list) entries; plus I don't see the point of including a table of three awards which can be discussed in the prose
  • Speaking to Apple Music's Zane Lowe, Selena Gomez said she related to Eilish's view of fame and said; "when I heard ["Everything I wanted"], I just sobbed because I've been doing this for so long and it's like, 'Damn, that's so true.' "[41] Bono of U2 included the song in his list of "60 Songs That Saved My Life", saying in a "fan letter", "I step inside your song and it's a black beauty, achingly awesomely vulnerable and terrifying".[42] Eilish's mother Maggie Baird also cried when she heard the song.[43] → Non-encyclopedic trivia
  • Per WP:MOSNUM integers from one to nine must be spelled out in words

Overall the article has potentials to qualify for FA but it needs more polishing. HĐ (talk) 06:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Aoba47[edit]

  • As I noted in the previous FAC, I do not see a clear rationale for including the music video screenshot. It is generally encouraged to only include non-free media to illustrate a point that cannot be conveyed through prose alone. The "Synopsis" section already explains what is being illustrated in the screenshot so it seems more decorative than informative. I also want to point out that Reference 72 leads to a "Page Not Found" page. Aoba47 (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the other editors participating in this FAC, I would also recommend withdrawing this nomination and putting it up for another peer review. I have noticed a number of things that were not addressed from the first FAC, and while the article did receive a recent peer review, it only attracted commentary from one editor. Hopefully, another peer review will get more attention. Aoba47 (talk) 00:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - oppose[edit]

Disclaimer: Gonna be claimed for the WikiCup.

  • ""Everything I Wanted" was used in an advertisement for Beats by Dre headphones that features Eilish" - We need a better source than a YouTube video for this
  • What makes Tidal (service) a high-quality RS for this?
  • "It was added to the reissue of Eilish's debut studio album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? in December 2019" - The source is a sales site. The source proves that a version with this was available in December 2019, but not that it was added to the album then, or that it was explicitly added to the album
  • Genius is user-generated. It is not RS.
  • WP:RSP says that there's no clear consensus that BuzzFeed is reliable, so that means it's below the high-quality RS bar of FAC.
  • "Eilish released the music video for "Everything I Wanted" on January 23, 2020" - is cited to a YouTube video. That's the date that specific video was posted to YouTube, not necessarily the release date. The video could have been taken down and then reposted, for instance.
  • Ref 72 is dead.
  • Ref 148 is dead.
  • The use of YouTube videos and sales sites is not enough for dates of releases/sales starting per the above comments, so I'm not going to highlight all of the many times those are used.

More coming later. Hog Farm Bacon 22:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some of the title are in sentence case, with only the first word and proper nouns capitalized. Others are in title case, with most words capitalized. Pick one and stick with it.
  • Ref 7 has an author: Glenn Rowley
  • "The release came with a digital single that was delivered to US customers via email" - Not supported by the reference
  • ""Everything I Wanted" has a moderately fast tempo of 120 beats per minute (BPM)" - Source only has the 120 bpm, calling that moderately fast is WP:OR.
  • Ref 37 you give stereogum as the publisher, and Randy Holmes as the author. Holmes appears to be the credit for the image, and the source is actually published by ABC.
  • Ref 87 has an author, add it.
  • Ref 31 has a different date than the one you list, and has four authors, not just one
  • Sometimes you link a publisher in the reference, sometimes you don't. Be consistent.

I'm opposing this, and I've only gone through about a third of the sources. Too many spot check issues, too many formatting issues, too many sources that are unreliable or aren't high-quality for what is being cited. Especially considering that some of the issues from the last review haven't been addressed, this should probably be withdrawn and taken to peer review. Again, I repeat, I haven't even gone through all of the sources on this. Hog Farm Bacon 23:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hog Farm: it has already received a peer review if you noticed on the top... It was suggested to be withdrawn for a peer review and copy edit when I first put it up for nom. Had to wait almost 2 months for both to be completed... The Ultimate Boss (talk) 23:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw[edit]

Hog Farm and Aoba47, with everyone saying it should been withdrawn and have another peer review, it’ll be months before it happens. And with school happening now, I will not have the time at all which really does suck. I was hoping to get an article to FA by the end of the summer, but I guess it’s not gonna happen. :/ @FAC coordinators: The Ultimate Boss (talk) 01:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @The Ultimate Boss: I can try to look through all the sources at a later date to give you advice on this, if you'd wish. I don't think it's ready now, but the article has a lot of good material, so IMO the hardest work is probably done on it. I'm fairly busy in RL, but if you'd like me to, I can look at the sources further sometime. Hog Farm Bacon 01:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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