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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was not promoted 04:16, 23 October 2007.
Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate[edit]
I'm nominating this article for featured article because it is a well-written article about a very well-documented rivalry in college football. It has already passed the GA standards and I think it lives up to FA. Saget53 19:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Have all of the "To do lists" on the talk page been completed yet? Wikidudeman (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As a primary editor of this article, I added those. At the moment, the todo list consists of online articles I found that were somewhat related to the subject, and generic suggestions to expand the article (added March 12, 2007). Since I added those suggestions the entire article has seen significant expansion (diff). As to whether or not the article needs more expansion... well, it wouldn't hurt it; however, most of the literature on the topic (and therefore, most of the rivalry) is focused around the sport of (American) football. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I make this !vote without prejudice as I recognize the potential that this article has to be quickly improved to FA quality. Overall, this article is pretty stable, thorough and well-sourced, however I see several really big things wrong with this article that are holding it back from my full support. They're completely fixable, however, and I'm willing to help out if I get the chance, to fix these and other, much smaller, pickier problems that probably exist but I didn't pick up on in my quick look at the article.
- The lead needs to be expanded. I think three paragraphs is the generally-accepted length for FA-quality articles.
- The lead states: "The two schools, in essence, are not only competing in athletics but are also competing for government and private funding, potential students, and amongst other things academic recognition in the State of Georgia and the United States," however, this is not really expanded upon in the article. Anything mentioned in the lead needs to be mentioned again and discussed in more detail in the main body of the article. Once this is done, the citation that is currently in the lead can be moved to that portion in the body, as citations are generally not needed in the leads of well-developed articles.
- The lead also states: "The academic and geographic divergence of the two institutions polarizes the state of Georgia into two fairly large fan bases." While the article discusses in depth the rivalry as is pertains to the schools themselves and the students/alumni of those schools, the lead is the only place that mentions the polarization of the general public, particularly among those who never went to the schools or have family members associated with the schools. Again, the lead should never mention anything that isn't discussed later in the article. I would suggest removing it entirely, but the general public interest aspect of the rivalry is somewhat important to the subject as a whole.
- The first two paragraphs of the History section are choppy and kind of confusing. The second paragraph doesn't coherently flesh out the thing with the colors. Was it a coincidence that a Tech student vote selected old gold as a school color, or was it a response to the comment by Herty? It also isn't made completely clear that old gold was removed as an official UGA color in response to its use by Tech as a proverbial middle finger (it's implied, and anyone familiar with the rivalry would know this to be the case, but it's not really clear).
- There are a few claims/statements made throughout the article that don't have attached citations. The ones I immediately caught were:
- The first paragraph in Traditions has no citations at all.
- Also in Traditions: "Many fans of the respective institutions refuse to even partake in clothing, food, or other materials of their rival's school colors. Examples include Georgia fans refusing to eat mustard or Georgia Tech fans refusing to use red pens."
- Many statistics in Sports go uncited including the football and basketball records, the statistics about the basketball games at the Omni versus the home court advantage statistics, as well as some historical notes made throughout.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.