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I reverted the New Jersey clarification info because it doesn't need to be on the list. It says in the intro to the list that it does not reflect changes since 2005. If we make that note on NJ, we have to note all the countries that aren't included. While that would make a legitimate and useful list, adding all that to the current list would make it messy. I will try to make a separate list of unions not in Schedule 20. -Rrius (talk) 05:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on the list now. (Btw, according to my dictionary, "sic" is wrong. It didn't apply to any quoted material and the Schedule isn't wrong, it's just outdated. It is a list of what the Act recognizes as similar to a CP. Until they put through a new Statutory Instrument, there are more hoops for NJ civil unions than for NJ domestic partnerships.)-Rrius (talk) 06:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
The UK has what are called statutory instruments, which in this case requires that the government put the changes before Parliament. Either house can reject the statutory instrument within 40 days, but if the 40 days pass without it being rejected, it becomes law. In practice, I'm sure the Home Secretary (or whoever) is aware of the New Jersey, New Hampshire, and other civil unions and treats them more or less like unions on the Schedule 20 list. -Rrius (talk) 07:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I can see excluding the California articles because there is no reason to include just one state, but how are those POV? -Rrius (talk) 08:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Same-sex unions in the United States
Cooljuno had a good point about creating a single page that summarizes the various unions available in the US. I have started one on one of my sandboxes, and I would like your input. I copied the text of Civil union in the United States, which itself needs a lot of work, and added a new lead and blurbs about same-sex marriage and civil unions from Same-sex marriage in the United States and Civil union, respectively. I still need to do the intro for domestic partnerships (which I think will be the hardest part), and I am thinking of doing a section on federal law, rather than dealing with under each section separately. Please help in whatever way you have time for, even if it is just copy-editing. -Rrius (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It is supposed to stay for 6 hours. If you've seen any DYK entry staying for days, you probably have witnessed the worst backlog disaster of all. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.
WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.
Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...
Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [1]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [2].
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.
This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)
Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.
It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.
In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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New Jersey and Canada
You removed California and Canada from the list of jurisdictions with relationships recognized as civil unions under New Jersey law from the Recognition of same-sex unions in New Jersey. Is the Canada edit correct? As Canadian same-sex marriage predates New Jersey civil unions, this would be somewhat surprising. Feel free to reply here, I put your talk page on my watchlist-Rrius (talk) 07:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
That's basically what I figured, but I wasn't sure because I've never looked into whether the AG opinion or whether there are updates or whatnot. -Rrius (talk) 01:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the DP info for Maryland. I saw it needed to be done, but was too lazy to do it. -Rrius (talk) 01:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
An unfortunate effect of a group less active than in the past is that our articles lose integrity. This one is at Good Article Review for that reason. The talk page is quite active as a result. You have the opportunity to help. This is the corest of our core articles, and it needs some attention because it gets a lot of controversial input from many sides. If you can spare any time to edit the article, please do what you can.
Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand!
I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there?
In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie?
New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable.
It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep.
In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does.
Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are:
Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired.
Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Wikipedia so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors.
Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles.
On Wikipedia as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Wikipedia for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting."
"A Supreme Court decision in 1958 reversed a 1956 ruling by a federal district court that U.S. postal authorities were correct in prohibiting the mailing of the Mattachine Society's ONE magazine. The lower court had ruled that ONE was not protected by the First Amendment because the magazine's contents 'may be vulgar, offensive, and indecent even though not regarded as such by a particular group ... because their own social or moral standards are far below those of the general community ... Social standards are fixed by and for the great majority and not by and for a hardened or weakened minority.'" - Michael Bronski in Pulp Friction, 2003
Thanks for being weak and having lowered standards with me. --Moni3 (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
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Proposed deletion of Margarita de Castro e Souza
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WikiBirthday
I saw from here that it's been exactly three years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢtalk/contribs 21:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Busy with other things lately, but I may be more active again in future. Textorus (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
merci
bonjour de France
i hope it's the right place to write to you.
Thank you for the FW&D ; i have done the modifications. I added a lot of new articles about US Class I Railroad; so, if you see something is not correct in my translations, tell it to me; je vous remercie d'avance.
Marsou_83
P&A Railroad
I've had a look at the P&A Railroad article as requested and have made some formatting and copy edits. Are you sure about the land grant areas? That's an enormous amount of land to just give away in return for the building of a railway. The original grant would be about 9% of the area of the state today. I known sizes are relative and it was a sparsely populated region at the time, but that would be like handing over most of the south of the England for free. Were there any commitments that the railway had to fulfil to get the land?
Are there any records of how much it cost to build the P&A or how many people worked on the construction or the types of locomotives or coaches used in the early days?--DavidCane (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help! I hope you will look back at your section Talk:Steinway D-274#Revision by Textorus. The German editor de:User:AxelKing (AK) has made his comments to your questions in your revision. Will you please take a look at it? --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 23:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Also I want to say Thank you! for your fine cooperation on Steinway D-274 . -- AxelKingg (talk) 09:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Here we go again.. ;-) THX in advance. -- AxelKingg (talk) 14:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
My pleasure
Taming the convert template can be a black art. Sometimes I doubt whether an understanding of this black art is always a good thing, but I do what I can. Thanks for the feedback and great article, btw. Bleakcomb (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Note
Hmm, you don't have email enabled, too bad... Thanks for your efforts to defuse the situation at Lower Mainland. I fear we may have lost an immensely valuable editor who has some undeniable rough spots about him. If that's the eventual outcome, then whatever the outcome for a few words in an article, it will have been an epic fail. Oh well, another day at English Wikipedia... Franamax (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Your query
I tend to agree with the latest reversion: it is better not to gratuitously include foreign words in English articles, especially if there is no scholarly need to include them, their meaning is unclear to the English reader, and, as in this case, the context is a sensitive one and the inclusion is likely to provoke controversy.
File source problem with File:Mt Zion School cropped.jpg
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Talkback
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C.F. Theodore Steinway
Hi, I see that you, AxelKingg and Ehrenkater have been working on the article C.F. Theodore Steinway: Talk:C.F. Theodore Steinway. I see, that none of you have added the new stuff to the article. I hope one of you will do it. It would make the article better. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 13:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Unhelpful comments at reference desk
You have been leaving unhelpful comments, bordering on trolling and disruption, following the meme "This discussion is very XXXX-centric" like "This discussion is very Earth-centric" and stuff like that. If you don't have anything helpful to add to a reference desk discussion, please don't. Your comments cannot even be taken as serious objections to the discussion, given the pattent rediculousness of them. Please stop doing this. --Jayron32 02:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Additional message for you at my talk page (as tasty as that bite was)... --Jayron32 03:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
reservations
Hi, Textorus... In September 2010 you removed some material you had reservations about from the Alfred, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha article. I think it's accurate and useful information and have now rephrased and re-cited. Would you look over the diff and see if your concerns have been adequately addressed? - Nunh-huh 22:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Zenú
The Original Barnstar
For cleaning up the translation of Zenú and allowing us to finally remove it from WP:PNTJac16888Talk 20:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Zenú
Thanks for doing a great job, cleaning up Zenú ! Regards, --MrGardiner (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of Gulf Coast Lines at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Mind weighing in?
Textorus, I've seen you at LGBT-related articles, and want to know if you wouldn't mind weighing in on this: Talk:Heterosexualization#Not only an LGBT issue. I posted a message about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies, which you may have seen already, but I hardly get any help from there or from other WikiProjects these days. So part of my approach these days is to go to relevant editors individually and hope they weigh in. Flyer22 (talk) 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I replied on my talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 00:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I replied again. Though I probably don't need to tell you this, as I'm sure you're experienced enough to know to check back or to have put my talk page on your watchlist for this discussion only. I want to thank you for taking the time to explain your feelings, though. I do appreciate that. Flyer22 (talk) 05:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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