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Hey, great spell-checking rampage you are on. You keep showing up on my watchlist. Thank you for that! Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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MacAskill[edit]

Your recent edit to the article with an edit summary of...: Nelson Mandela's views are at least as noteworthy as Saif Gadaffi's) (undo)

I have to disagree with you, Gadaffi's son is and was involved, Mandelas comments are pretty worthless, the idea was actually to lessen that section. We don't want a list of unimvolved peoples comments, do we? Off2riorob (talk) 14:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gadaffi's son was involved in the story and gave press releases and met Ma-gra-hi of the plane etc. Off2riorob (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mandela absolutely has been involved in this story from the word go - he played a crucial part in the Megrahi's trial taking place in the first place. On that basis alone his views are of at least as much note as Saif Gadaffi's - but then they would be anyway because of who he is. Sofia9 (talk) 14:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mandala's view are not notable in regard to the biography of MacAskill. Perhaps on some other page relating to the crime, this is a bio of MacAskill. Off2riorob (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have failed to address the point I have just made. If Saif Gadaffi's comments have a place on a biography of Kenny MacAskill on the basis that he was 'involved', then Nelson Mandela's do on the basis of his involvement in Megrahi being brought to justice. For that reason, I shall be restoring my edit. If you want to remove it again, I would suggest logically you should also remove the Gadaffi quote. As an aside, self-important bold text does not enhance the quality of your argument. Sofia9 (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gaddafi's son was there to meet him off the plane and was involved in discussion regarding his release. Off2riorob (talk) 14:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, you have failed to address my point about Mandela's involvement. Sofia9 (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mandela was not involved at all. In any worthwhile way. Off2riorob (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC) Have you thought to add this fantastic involvment to the article of Mandela? Off2riorob (talk) 14:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you keep a straight face when you said that? Not involved "at all"...and then you realise I can prove that he was, so it's suddenly qualified as not involved "in a worthwhile way". Which is it? I'll spell it out for you - without Mandela's involvement Megrahi would not have been in a Scottish prison in the first place. On that basis, he was at least as involved as Saif Gadaffi, and if Mandela's words have no place then neither have Saif's. Sofia9 (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is a bio of Macaskill, Mandela went to see the guy in prison, that belongs on mahagris article not here. the page is about Macaskill not megrahi or mandela.You need not spell anything out for me ta, I am looking to reduce the comments that don't belong on the page and mandelas comment is one of them, if you like it then enjoy it.Off2riorob (talk) 15:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look at it like this...when magrahi was released did you see at anytime on the tv, giving statements and so on..gadaffi's son? yes? ok, of course you did, now..did you see at anytime this comment from mandala? no? did the tv go ...we are off to south africa to talk to mandela about this? no? where mandelas comments posted in various newspapers around the world? Off2riorob (talk) 15:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)you don't need to duplicate comments on my talk, I am watching here.ta. Off2riorob (talk) 15:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you've just demonstrated why things apparently do need to be spelt out to you. The point I made is that Mandela's comment is noteworthy because of his crucial role in bringing Megrahi to trial, and you reply by saying that Mandela's visit to Megrahi in prison does not belong on Kenny MacAskill's bio page. That is frankly bizarre. If you're going to keep 'replying' to statements that I didn't make but you wish I had, this could quite literally go on forever.

Mandela's quote belongs on Kenny MacAskill's bio page because it is a commentary on MacAskill's decision from someone intimately involved in the case. That is exactly the rationale for Saif Gadaffi's quote being present. Logically, if one goes both should go.

PS. Please give me a chance to reply to one of your statements before adding another. The above was a reply to what you said up to and including the baffling phrase "if you like it then enjoy it". I'll try to respond to the rest later. By the way, if you reserve the right to post on my talk page I reserve the right to post on yours! Sofia9 (talk) 15:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a discussion about mandela's comment on the talkpage. regards Off2riorob (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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