Talk:Yunus Musah

"New York City, New York"

I'm a little surprised I'm being forced to do this, but because it has come up now twice, I figured I'd open a discussion here. An IP has made the argument that "New York" does not belong behind "New York City" in the infobox, because "an infobox is not the place to tell the very few uninformed that New York City is in New York state." Not only do I think that argument is absurd, as Wikipedia, being an encyclopedia, is the place to inform all people about things that people may not know, but it also is rooted in the flawed assumption that all people in the English-speaking world automatically know the state New York City is in. The name of a state within the name of the city is not always suggestive of the state in which the city is actually located. Kansas City, Missouri, is a prime example of that. Also, in the United States, given the system of a city belonging politically both to a state and the nation itself, it is entirely standard to list City, State, Country, especially in an informational setting. Anwegmann (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The page is called New York City not New York City, New York, as opposed to other pages like Albany, New York, where such information is needed. You conveniently missed out that I said that the link should point to the actual title of the page. When you see "Paris, France" in a lead, do you edit it to say "Paris, Ile-de-France, France"? Should Madrid, Spain become Madrid, Community of Madrid, Spain? Nobody has come to this page to learn what state New York City is in, a place that the subject was born on his mother's vacation. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:BCF1:F66D:8AA1:5D2C (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Your counter-example of Kansas City, Missouri makes no sense, as that article is titled as such, to separate it from Kansas City, Kansas. Until Jersey City becomes New York City, New Jersey, there is no need to say which NYC he was born in. If you have a problem, start a move request at New York City article. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:BCF1:F66D:8AA1:5D2C (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Why does the title of the article matter so much to you? It is irrelevant in this case based on the information needed for the infobox. It is standard, in American English, to list the state in addition to the city, and a city's name that includes the same name as a state does not always correlate to the state in which that city is located. Again, see Kansas City, Missouri, as a prime example. The examples of Paris and Madrid are irrelevant because neither of those cities are located in the United States, and so neither of them adopt American English standards or fall under the political hierarchy of the American city-state-country structure. States have different meanings in different countries. Beyond that, there are several other cities called New York across the United States—New York, Iowa, for example, and New York, Texas. Just because you think it's obvious that New York City is in New York state, the mission of Wikipedia is not to leave out information that seems obvious to some. It is to inform all. There should be no question about what state New York City is in, and it is not just or reasonable to assume that every human being who will ever look at Musah's page will automatically know that New York City is in a state also called New York. Anwegmann (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)