Talk:Wolf's ticket

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In the US[edit]

In the US, this term means to threaten someone with no intention to uphold that threat. Geoffroi (talk) 03:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. A better title of this page is "Wolf's ticket", hence I moved it. My very best wishes (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the backlinks to the moved article and fixed several links to the obviously afroamercian context. I had to replace them with links to wikt:wolf ticket. Here they are: Mule Bone, Let's Take It to the Stage (song), Index of articles related to African Americans. I am listing them here in case someone writes an article about the "true" wolf ticket, so that these links may be fixed (unfortunately no backlinks from wiktionary). - Altenmann >talk 02:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Diaz[edit]

Nick Diaz brought me here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.212.185.169 (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Russian empire needs more research[edit]

Here is what I found in the internets (unfortunately not a "reliable reference". Further search revealed it was from the ruwiki article deleted for original research. It was preserved in net archives. Unfortunatily yes it is underreferenced big time, but it may give some hints for further search.

Students of gymnasiums and universities who received a “wolf ticket” could not continue their education at a state-owned educational institution. Usually a “wolf ticket” was issued for committing a hooligan act or for participating in anti-government rallies, meetings, etc. Strictly speaking, no ticket was issued. The pedagogical council of the gymnasium decided on the most severe disciplinary punishment for students - expulsion without the right to enter any other state-owned educational institutions; this decision was then approved by the Minister of Education and other educational institutions were notified about it. If the student wished, he was given a certificate of completion of the course, which stated that he did not have the right to enter educational institutions.

A book by ru:Давыдов, Александр Васильевич Memoirs. 1881—1955 describes a case when gymnasists wanted to punish a teacher, and they selected a student who was to be expelled anyway to slap the teacher in his face, extensively quoted in the mentioned ruwiki article. - Altenmann >talk 01:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This text indirectly confirms some of the above:

"The most serious punishment was not just expulsion (those expelled as usual had the chance to re-enter the same or another university), but expulsion without the right to enter any Russian or foreign university. The Ministry of Public Education notified European universities about such “scoundrels,” embodying the principle of a “single university space.” The expelled person was not allowed to remain in the university town unless he lived there with his parents. But from that moment on, parents were ordered to have “constant surveillance” over their sons. In the statutes of medieval universities, the latter form of punishment was called consilium abeundi, or 'advice to leave' ". (P.S.: consilium abeundi was not exactly what the Russian quoted source say: It was simply a polite phrasing of the statement of expulsion.) - Altenmann >talk 01:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The entry still exist in wikitionarty [1]. See this link and especially quotations here. Yes, the expression was apparently used already in the Russian Empire. My very best wishes (talk) 18:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already added to article whatever was usable. But the dicdefs are basically useless beyond being ...er... dicdefs. From these it is not at all clear what exactly was "volchy bilet", i.e., no encyclopedic info, although a man can make inferences from hints in literature, as it was done in the OR of the deleted ruwiki article. - Altenmann >talk 19:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poland[edit]

In Poland the concept evolved independently, most probably originnating from the times when Poland was part of the Russian Empire.^{[citation needed]} However when the paths parted, the notion developed independently, with basic meaning being besically the same. Unfortunately in plwiki the section that describes modern times in 100% unreferened, so I didnt copy anythin from plwiki to here. I can read Polish and I will do a bit more research. So far I only used a dicdef from a pl: dictionary. The novelty mentioned there compared to Russia is restrictions to travel abroad. (In Russian Empire there were none. In a way there were none in the Soviet Union as well: there we can speak only about the permissions to travel abroad. (It is meaningless to speak about "restrictions" when there was 100% absence of the freedom of travel abroad.) ) - Altenmann >talk 19:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. But if I understand correctly, such restriction existed only in Polish People's Republic? In any case, we need not only dictionary definition but something of essence... My very best wishes (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. And there was more of it in PPR, like here, but as for Russian term, information is scarce. - Altenmann >talk 21:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]