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hungarian name[edit]

The mountains are located only in Svk and Cz Rep.

Keep only Slovak and Czech name. like in German wikipedia or French wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iaaasi (talk • contribs) 12:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop wikihoundig, Iaaasi! You may get yourself banned out of wikipedia for indefinite time for this.--Nmate (talk) 13:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You did not answer to my question. Why is the Hungarian name rellevant?Iaaasi (talk) 13:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Go elsewhere.--Nmate (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_Slovakia, there isn't a Hungarian minority in the area where the White Carpathians are located. So the Hungarian name is not relevant.

I tend to agree with Iaaasi (talk · contribs), since the number of G-hits for Hungarian "Fehér-Kárpátok" is similar to Polish "Białe Karpaty" or Italian "Carpazi Bianchi". Should we include also the Italian and Polish version of the name? On the other hand, there could be some significant historical connection, given the relation between Slovakia and Hungary in the past. Could somebody offer a more constructive explanation than Nmate (talk · contribs), please? --Vejvančický (talk) 15:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nmate (talk · contribs) must be a nostalgic of the defunct Hungarian Kingdom, which incorporated once Slovakia. But, after this reasoning, why shouldn't we include the German name too (it was a part of the Austrian empire too)? (Iaaasi (talk) 15:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

I would opt for including an historical name of the range (regardless of language) that can be supported by sources. The article is about the range, and its history is an important part of the encyclopedic knowledge about it.--Mike Cline (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hung name Fekete Karpatok = a translataion of The Slovak one (Fekete = white). It is not a historical name , but a translation (Iaaasi (talk) 16:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Move on already! There is an existing naming consensus (HU-SK naming_convention) that determines how to use those names. As to Yopie, he needs to consult a doctor, seriously.--Nmate (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The naming convention for places in Slovakia

"After 1918: use the Slovak name. Use Hungarian (or other minority languages) at least once for places with significant Hungarian (or other minority) population, either in the form "Eperjes (Prešov)" and later "Eperjes" exclusively, or in the form "Prešov (Eperjes)" and later "Prešov" exclusively. Significant is more than 20% of the population by contemporary census."

As it can be see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_Slovakia, the percentage of Hungarians in that area where the White Carpathians are located is <10%, so there is not "significant Hungarian population"(>20%), and the criteria is not met"(Iaaasi (talk))

Response to third opinion request:

First - I'd like to remind everyone to please keep the discussion civil. There is no need for insults, and you lessen the strength of your argument by including them. I will second the comment that what Mike Cline said above. If there is a reference that supports the historical use of the name in any language then its appropriate to include it (and to interwiki it). Lastly, my interpretation on the naming conventions mentioned above are for "the use of a name in other articles" - in other words, if another article on mountains includes an internal link to this article then this guideline is relevant. However, the guideline is not meant to be a limiting factor to prevent inclusion of a well-referenced alternative name into the article itself.— 7 01:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Nmate: Which part of the guideline are you referring to exactly? Could you elaborate, please? I can't find any evidence confirming historical significance of Hungarian name Fehér-Kárpátok for this particular region. If you can provide reliable sources for it, please do so and I'll gladly change my opinion. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk) 11:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whether to place a Hungarian name or not into the lead shall be decided whether Hungarian name is a relevant foreigh name or not.

As per WP:naming "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages, i.e., (Armenian name1, Belarusian name2, Czech name3). or (ar: name1, be: name2, cs: name3). As an exception to alphabetical order, the local official name should be listed before other alternate names if it differs from a widely accepted English name.

The territory of Slovakia used to be massively inhabited by Hungarians (in 1910 almost 30%). The town of Trencin which lies at the foot of the mountain had, in 1920, a population of 7 805 and out of them 2 997 were Hungarians. More than that Slovakia is still inhabited by a large Hungarian minority which makes up according to official census data 9,7% of the country's population, therefore, Hungarian language is a regional language and should be used in the lead section for every place which has an alternative Hungarian name.--Rokarudi 23:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC) User: Rokarudi