Talk:Wavendon

Possibility of new article for Wavendon Gate?

I see Wavendon Gate as enough of a separate entity to warrant a separate page - Walnut Tree has been given its own page and Wavendon Gate is larger. Before I do anything, can I just check that this is OK with everyone else? 30gl (talk) 17:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Articles like Walnut Tree predate a preference for keeping the material on each grid-square or district as sections of the Civil Parish article - this is general in UK geography articles. UNLESS the district is especially notable. I've a Wavendon Gate redirect article that consists only of a #redirect to the section - which doesn't even exist yet???. There is also a case to bring Walnut Tree back into the fold. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I see what you mean. I'll see if I can put together a brief Wavendon Gate section in the article. However, it is my understanding that Wavendon church comes under the same Church of England parish as the churches in Kents Hill and Milton Keynes Village - could you explain how civil parishes differ? --30gl (talk) 12:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, see Civil parishes in England. It is the CP that is usually the more relevant for Wikipedia, since it is an administrative demarcation. Wavendon Gate is in the Walton, Milton Keynes parish. See also template:Milton Keynes parishes. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to close this discussion, someone (probably me--𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

) merged Walnut Tree.

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Merge and redirect

At talk:Eagle Farm, Milton Keynes and talk:Glebe Farm, Milton Keynes, I have left notices of intent to transfer their content into Wavendon but retain their names as redirects to the new sections there. Is there any need to open a formal WP:AFD or WP:MERGE? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

If we are to ensure consistency across the MK neighbourhood articles, then I indeed support such a move. However, I do have some queries:

The Eagle Farm and Glebe Farm articles do seem to satisfy WP:GNG guidelines (probably not as strongly as most of the other MK neighbourhood articles though), as there are sources related to those neighbourhoods, particularly from the local press and City Council [1][2][3]. These neighbourhoods are also notably distinct from the "old" village of Wavendon itself.

As you mentioned here [4], there are other neighbourhoods in MK which aren't parishes in their own right, but nevertheless have their own articles such as Newton Leys (as you mentioned) and Willen. What about urban areas outside of MK, like Dogsthorpe in Peterborough and West Hunsbury in Northampton which have their own articles despite not being major retail or industrial centres within Peterborough and Northampton, respectively? Should we also apply this logic to rural settlements like Petsoe End, which has its own article despite being in the civil parish of Emberton? Does Filgrave and Tyringham need to be merged into one article named "Tyringham and Filgrave" covering the whole CP?

Anonymous MK2006 (talk) 12:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I think we will have to take the more general case to WP:UKGEO. There are some "low hanging fruit" like Eagle Farm and Glebe Farm which are notable enough to at least have a redirect but not really significant enough for a standalone article. But what about Water Eaton? Newton Leys is difficult because it spans two parishes and two UAs - and the brownfield site it reuses is significant too. So does size matter? IMO, Tyringham and Filgrave could reasonably share a single article, each with its own redirect article, but that would definitely need an RM.

I suspect the UKGEO discussion will conclude that the question is too fuzzy to have a firm rule, that each case will have to be debated locally. But I hope that it will conclude a preference for merging and the case must be made as to why separation is appropriate. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)