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A fact from Wakan, Oman appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the mild climate in the remote mountain village of Wakan in Oman allows the growth of fruits such as pomegranates in an otherwise hot and dry country?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wakan, Oman.

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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 21:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the mild climate in the remote mountain village of Wakan in Oman allows the growth of fruits such as pomegranates and apricots? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that between February and March tourists visit the remote village of Wakan in Oman for its apricot blossoms? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: QPQ not required

Created by Broc (talk). Self-nominated at 09:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wakan, Oman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is new enough, created on 27 Dec. It is long enough with around 1999 characters including spaces. Article seems in general well sourced and is neutral in style. Article is presentable. One sentence seemed to be copied from a site, but that might a copy from Wikipedia itself. The sentence however does not end with citations. I advise having a look at that sentence again: " It lies on the slopes of the Wadi Mistal mountains at an altitude of approximately 1500 m a.s.l.[3][4][5] in the Western Hajar Mountains, 140 km from Muscat and 56 km from Nakhal." No other issues found. The hook is cited to what seems to be a government source, which seems okay for the information in the hook. The source referred to is different than the one mentioned in this template though. Source number 4 might also provide some more information to improve the citation or expand on content. In its current state I find both the hook and the ALT only marginally interesting, but they could suffice. No QPQ needed. Crispulop (talk) 20:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- One more suggestion for a hook:
  - ALT2: ... that the Titan of the Hill was in Wakan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crispulop (talk • contribs) 20:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crispulop: thanks for the review. A few notes from my side:

The hook is cited to Times of Oman, a large English-language newspaper in Oman, not a government source.
Which sentence seems to be copied? I checked again with EarWig and there doesn't seem to be an issue.
While you mention the hook is only mildly interesting, I find it quite amazing that in Oman, a hot desertic country, there are places such as Wakan where Mediterranean fruits are grown. Maybe the hook should be better phrased?

Broc (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Broc: 1) Regarding the hook citation. I regarding this sentence within the article as the information on which the hook is based: "The village is known for its terraced gardens and orchards, where pomegranates, apricots, peaches and dates are grown. Unlike the majority of Oman where the climate is hot and dry, the village enjoys mild temperatures in summer and cold winters, thanks to its altitude and location". That sentence has citation number 6, and its source is Oman Info, not Times of Oman. But all in all its a good source. 2) Earwig indeed doesn't show problems anymore, perfect. 3) Regarding the hook: I understand your point, but the current hook does not include that Oman in general is hot and dry, so the interesting juxtaposition is missing. Not all readers might know that Oman is hot dry.

But all in all this is good to go! Crispulop (talk) 16:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: * ... that the mild climate in the remote mountain village of Wakan in Oman allows the growth of fruits such as pomegranates in an otherwise hot and ~~desertic~~dry country? Source: [3] for Wakan, [4] for Oman's climate
ALT4: ... that in the desertic country of Oman, tourists visit the remote village of Wakan for its apricot blossoms? Source: [5]

Following advice that the average reader is not aware that Oman is a desertic country.Broc (talk) 18:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4 is true but neither the source linked above nor the source from the article[6] offer that context about the general climate of Oman, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rjjiii I would have assumed this was a WP:BLUESKY fact, which is probably the reason why Omani sources don't need to stress that the country is normally hot. Would a tertiary source such as Britannica be acceptable? [7] Broc (talk) 09:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broc, I think it would still be best to cite it. Especially since you note above that "the average reader is not aware that Oman is a desertic country." And yes a tertiary source would be acceptable; it's an uncontroversial fact. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rjjiii Fair enough. I added a reference to [8] and changed ALT3 from "hot and desertic" to "hot and dry". Broc (talk) 12:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]