Talk:Vladimir Nazor

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Concerning (non)religion[edit]

I agree that there should definitely be a source, but since the man was a communist, I believe we should treat him as an atheist until proven otherwise. Communism entails atheism as a part of that ideology. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Even though the implication communism/socialism -> atheist is self-evident, it should be sourced so that logic like: "he never declared himself as atheist, and there are evidences of him being latent devout Christian and but he couldn't practice it due to the politcs" be cut at the beginning. Plus, there are the the ex-Yugoslav officials (and the Party members) who after the 1990s suddenly "saw the light". If the source for religious declaration cannot not be found, and there is no evidence to assume otherwise, then atheism is reasonable thing to assume. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 15:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad we both "see the light" on this. However, as far as the political "light-seers" are concerned, Račan is not one of them. I'm 100% sure he was not a religious man at the time of his death, that particular tag is not really warranted. I'm not so sure about Dabčević-Kučar and her current religious affiliation, though. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 16:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but it should definitely be sourced for those that declared themselves communist, but were nevertheless baptized as children (I just read that even Račan was baptized as a child in some German village Ebersbach, though some other sources dispute that..). --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed all unreferenced designations of Nazor being an atheist. Guesswork and syllogisms are not allowed on Wikipedia. On a semi-related note: IIRC, according to the 1931 Yugoslav census, only 0.1% of the population were atheists. Whether that supports the premise "All communists are atheists" (which is necessary for the above mentioned syllogism to work) is left as an exercise for the reader. GregorB (talk) 17:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to the 1970 international survey of religious consciousness, that also included Yugoslavia among 53 countries, 63% of the population were self-declared atheists in the capital of Yugoslavia (with 23% who said they were religious). --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which makes me conclude two things: 1) attitudes are easily steered toward convenient ones, 2) therefore they are not consistent over people's lifetimes. Nazor was not even politically active prior to WWII (or at least the article says so), so he was as much an "atheist" as those 63%, who probably wouldn't say the same if we asked them today: they were actually believers and cheated the system all along. Of course... GregorB (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship[edit]

Somebody actually removed all references to this person's extremely significant political career, probably some freak trying to avoid any mention of him being a member of the Communist Party of Croatia. Since he was the first modern Croatian president, I've dared to place that in the lead. Hopefully the nationalist maniacs who censored history here will not try to do so again. I've also looked it up: he was a partisan and considered himself a Yugoslav, which is hardly a big change since he lived for 25 years (1918-1943) in a country which did not even recognize the existence of a seperate Croatian nationality. Furthermore, since the man was a communist, we're going to have to go with atheism once more, since one implies the other (or was he one of those catholic communists?). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 04:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Religion[edit]

I would like to see some reference considering his religion. I know that he was a member of a communist government after the war, but that doesn't mean that he is an atheist. As he was a respected figure in Yugoslavia, he could surely get his place in the government regardless of his religion. Plus, he was a supporter of HSS (which is mostly Christian party) in a pre-WW2 Yugoslavia, not a supporter of the communist party. I will delete his religion if no info is found until the end of the next week. HeadlessMaster (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comments[edit]

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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