Talk:Valhallaorden

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La Constance is not synonymous with Walhalla-orden. Teuton 09:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add the restaurant or not?[edit]

Should we note that the Walhalla restaurant in sveaborg traces its name from the Walhalla society? With or without a link? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 07:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Göran Magnus Sprengtporten[edit]

There is no evidence that Göran Magnus Sprengtporten was a member of the Walhalla orden. Therefore, I would propose to take out the last section talking about this. //194.136.170.3 (talk) 07:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After some research, I can confirm the above anonymous comment being accurate, according to fresh scholarly work. It seems earlier "research" may have had a minor COI when reporting Walhalla-orden, as they were apparently actively trying to frame it as a nexus of a national myth of origin, so they quite naturally tried to connect every strand that even vaguely fit into that matrix. Sprengtporten being one of them. Apparently he was a mason, but not a member of Walhalla-orden, despite the claims of my referenced source to the contrary. So how to remove the spurious bits? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly republican ideas were freely bandied about by Göran Magnus Sprengtporten for instance, who had been much impressed by such ideas and the thoughts of independence which he heard from Benjamin Franklin during his stay in Paris. It is also fairly well attested that members of the order were involved in some form of scheming in conjunction with the kings brother Charles XIII of Sweden (then currently the highest Freemason in the land) even though the true form of this scheming is entirely unclear and open to wildest flights of fancy, even up to and including offering him the crown of an independent Finland. Charles however, no stranger to intrigue himself, appears to have reported directly to his brother, the king, that Sprengtporten had expressed to him a "curious and astonishing proposition for the re-organization of the political affairs of state of Finland".

I wrote the above, and most likely it should be re-added to the article with proper context that it is in fact the fantasy of a particular Finnish historian with more than an axe to grind and historically not correct. (sigh) -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]