Talk:USS Bougainville (LHA-8)

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Using hull numbers in Design section[edit]

Llammakey, you removed the hull numbers from the "America and Tripoli were designed and built without a well deck" sentence, and then reverted me when I added them back with the claim that "hull numbers are for disambiguation only". This is not the case. The style guide explicitly permits the use of hull numbers for uses other than disambiguation in articles if "immediately relevant" (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Using_ship_class_names_in_articles). I'd argue that including the hull numbers are relevant in this case to make it clear that Bougainville follows America and Tripoli in sequence in the same class/type of vessel. Are you taking the position that it is never appropriate to use hull numbers for any other reason than disambiguation? To be clear, i'm not particularly insistent on using the hull numbers if you feel strongly that using them detracts from the article. —RP88 ^(talk) 04:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The hull number for Makin Island has no purpose whatsoever in the article. As for America and Tripoli, US hull numbers change and at the beginning it might be important to note it's the the third hull in the sequence, further down the line it could the only ship to receive an upgrade, or the fifth or the first of three. One could easily say, Bougainville was the third hull constructed, following America and Tripoli. That allows one to say the same information without relying on hull numbers that can/probably will change. Llammakey (talk) 11:32, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's fair to say that the hull number for Makin Island is not as relevant as the other two. I only included it to further emphasize that while Bougainville's design (and the design of the other America-class ships) is based on Makin Island, Makin Island is of a different class and type (something that I already said in the text, thus for emphasis only). I'll remove that use. I also agree that it should be possible to rewrite the later text to not rely on the hull numbers to convey information. I'll remove these two uses of the hull numbers if I think of a good rewrite for this portion of the text. —RP88 ^(talk) 14:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]