Talk:Type 214 submarine

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Less advanced?[edit]

Look at this. "The 214 submarine is a further improvement on the Type 212." ⇒Bayerischermann - 16:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Naval-technology is not very reliable, since its article on Type 214 is meant to promote these subs as export models.

In fact, there had been several TV-interviews with German navy officiers when U31 was commissioned, and the commander said the export version, Type 214, lacks the nonmagnetic hull and also some secret sonar and communications technologies.

Also Type 214 is basically a Type 209 plus AIP propulsion. However, Type 212 was an independent design, which is not completely based on Type 209 (although some elements were of course adopted).

Mission Endurance[edit]

There are two numbers in the article for the 214's mission endurance: 50 days and 12 weeks (7d-week = 84 days, 5d-week = still 60 days). Does anyone know which number is right? Or is there some kind of tactical reserve in the 12 weeks included? Cheers, Enrico —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.55.155.5 (talk) 00:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Greek Navy Orders[edit]

Shouldn't the article be locked? Apparently a Greek user with a dynamic IP keeps changing the part about the refusal of TKMS to deliver the boat to the Greek Navy. However many sources, e.g. Jane's, confirm this policy of TKMS Rebell18190 (talk)

The comments about Greek government not paying for defensive systems is inaccurate and offensive. As for the sub, if it meets the specs it will be paid for. If not, negotiations are in order. That's accepted practice with ANY contract. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.203.239 (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


In the Greek orders section of the article, there is no reference for the greek goverment's inability to pay for the 100 leopards:

for example, the Greek order of Leopard 2 tanks. Germany delivered 100 tanks (by 2007), but the Greek government only paid for 20 tanks and delayed payments of the remaining units

Furthermore, the whole section lacks a neutral point of view and makes use of weasel words. If nobody comes up with a reference suggestion in a week or so, i propose deletion for the comment about the one hundred leopards, and rephrasing of the whole section in general. Moumouza (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TKMS actually cancled two contracts with Greece. The first was for the new build type 214 submarines. The second contract was for the upgrade of three older type 209-1200 submarines (including a aip plug!). The arears of some 523€ Million is actually the arears for both contracts and not only the contract for the new build 214's! Here is link which explains my comments in details (unfortunatly only in Greek) http://www.hellenicdefense.gr/eidiseis/e2009/e090921a.html elgreco77 (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One should not forget that TKMS officially announced to seek for new buyers. Poland was mentioned in this context. Also members of the German admirality stated that it's an option that the German Navy accepts at least one submarine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.37.74.202 (talk) 14:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- TKMS has now stated that arbitration will only concern financial compensation, but the boats will be sold to new customers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.37.113.103 (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The greek Ministry of Defence officialy anounced on 27. October that they will accept the three boats built in Greece. The first of class built in Kiel will be offered for sale. A buyer has not been found. Here the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=el&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hellenicdefense.gr%2Feidiseis%2Fe2009%2Fe091027a.html elgreco77 17:25, 30 October 2009

Type 214 versus Type 212A[edit]

Subs 214 class are not derivative of 212A class, source - naval technology is mistaken. According to prof. Urlich Gabler, submarine designer and the founder of Ingenieurkontor Lubeck, they are result of experience in building subs 209 class - just in connection with development of 212A class. --Matrek (talk) 01:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification about range[edit]

Three range estimates are given in the info box, depending on speed and whether the sub is surfaced or submerged. I'm not sure I understand these figures. Let's say the sub is traveling at 4 kts submerged. Once it travels 1248 nm, is it out of fuel? (i.e. does it have to be back in port at that point?) Or is this range just a function of battery power, in which case it can surface and keep going on diesel power (and I guess even re-charge its batteries to be able to submerge itself again)?

I wonder if there is a way to clarify this in the info box, in this and other submarine articles. It may be perfectly obvious to a submarine expert how to interpret the numbers, but it is not so obvious to a layman like myself who happens to be reading an encyclopedia article. NipsonAnomimata (talk) 14:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Length and displacement need correction.[edit]

According to thyssenkrupp AG, submarine manufacturer, The length is over all 72m (approx.) and surface displacement is 2,000 t (approx.) . Link: https://www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com/en/products-services/submarines/class-214 Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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