Talk:Torkham border crossing

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On 10 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Torkham to Torkham border crossing. The result of the discussion was moved.

I merged and redirected...[edit]

I merged and redirected Towr Kham. Geo Swan (talk) 06:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

seperated again as they are completely different places Rzafar (talk) 10:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have been there and they are just different spellings only of same city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakaria1978 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan[edit]

Torkham is an official border crossing between Pakistan and Afghanistan and a town in Pakistan. There is no town in Afghanistan by this name. page needs to be redone to make this difference apparent.Rzafar (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

The ddrafg reference calls in a border crossing point not town. The New York Times reference refers to Towr Kham, a separate city not Torkham. Rzafar (talk) 09:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 February 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Torkham → Torkham border crossing – First this article is about border crossing between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and second Torkham a town located in Pakistan near crossing, to end confusion rename it to border crossing and redirect Torkham to Torkham, Pakistan article, like similar to the Wesh–Chaman border crossing & Chaman. 103.141.159.225 (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). 39.41.6.68 (talk) 23:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Torkham is a well known and important "border town" within the jurisdiction of Afghanistan. [1] The "Torkham border crossing" basically refers to a "door", which is the actual border. [2] On one side of the door is Pakistan and on the other side is the sacred land of Afghanistan. The road and walking space (all the way to that door of Torkham, Pakistan) is also Afghanistan. See here google earth Pakistan's jurisdiction starts only after you physically enter through the Pakistani door. [3] Only the Afghan government forces patrol Torkham, which existed before the 1947 creation of Pakistan. Please don't mess up the article. If you like, you can redirect Torkham border crossing to Torkham, Pakistan.--39.41.6.68 (talk) 23:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing sourced content and adding your unsourced commentary at the pages, and second no source supports your so called claim (only Afghans live there in Pakistani town and Afghan forces controls it) "You mean Taliban controls Pakistani territory and its town population" are you brain dead?".

Torkham border crossing" is a notable second biggest border crossing between Pakistan and Afghanistan[4], like Wesh–Chaman border crossing you can't change this article to as a Town of Afghanistan. You can creat a new article but can't hijack this one. 103.141.159.225 (talk) 06:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not about Taliban or politics. This Wikipedia article is about a well known place called Torkham in Afghanistan, where only Afghans live, and Pakistanis cannot go there without passports and visas. It is also not about the other Torkham, which we all know is in Pakistan. Why are you fighting over this? Make another new article about a door/gate that serves as the entry point into Pakistan and call it whatever you desire. Why do you want to pretend that there is no Torkham town in Afghanistan?--39.41.6.68 (talk) 06:48, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am talking the same this article was created for border crossing see [5]. Before you hijacked it on 6 February[6]. Instead of creating new article for Afghanistan side town. 103.141.159.225 (talk) 07:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was wrongly written in the past and now it is corrected. Pakistanis sometime see things differently than the rest of the world. When they think of Torkham, they think of Pakistan only. Put differently, they don't believe that there is a town in Afghanistan by the same name. Here, we don't follow their way of thinking.--39.41.6.68 (talk) 07:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of allegions and article hijacking why doesn't you login with your account and come here to talk or creating a new article for Afghan town. you are looks like an experienced user must be an investigation launched against you.

Not wrongly article was clearing and well written with reference about border crossing before your hijack on 6 February[7]

your current unsourced history claims at Torkham#History Torkham was a part of Afghanistan before Durand agreement and blaa bla doesn't has any source and no source supports your propaganda claims.103.141.159.225 (talk) 07:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support From article in its longstanding shape, it is clear that it's about Torkham border crossing between Pakistan and Afghanistan. There is a separate article about Torkham, Pakistan, a town on Pakistani side. If needed a new article could be made for town on Afghanistan side but this border crossing article should not be usurped and hijacked. 37.111.189.212 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose With Torkham now redirecting to the town in Afghanistan, I do not think moving it to “border crossing” is appropriate. Both towns can mention the crossing, but I think the right division of articles should be regarding each town itself. Zsinj^Talk 22:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The "border crossing" refers to an action, and one has to cross into the other country for it to be a crossing. Otherwise no border crossing happens. So you can't redirect it to either towns. These two towns are divided by a simple man-made gate (door). It's similar to the towns of Ishkashim.--HabibKhosti (talk) 00:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC) sock block – robertsky (talk) 01:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The precise title as per the content of article would be Torkham border crossing. IAmAtHome (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support it should be moved per article. _ Noor Gee __ʞlɐʇ_☺ 09:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Usurpation of article[edit]

Recently some nationalist editors from Afghanistan are trying to usurp the page from its longstanding history as an article about Torkham border crossing and changing it to an article about a town in Afghanistan. The said border crossing is more notable than town on either side of both the countries and have most of the sourcing about border crossing. I have no issue if they create an article about the town in Afghanistan similar to Torkham, Pakistan but it's balatant disruption to hijack and usurp this article.

And there has been zero effort on taking consensus about such big changes. I request the editors involved to not change the article without building consensus, onus for which is on them who want to change its shape from its longstanding history. 37.111.128.190 (talk) 08:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]