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"belonging to" ???[edit]

Tiran Island is not part of Saudi Arabia, its a 100% Egyptian Land!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.137.147.133 (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the treaty it is no longer the case. Saxophonemn (talk) 11:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Islands of Tiran is not part of Saudi Arabia. It is located in the Red Sea off the coast of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula. Egypt has rejected calls to hand over the Red Sea islands of Tiran and Sanafir to Saudi Arabia. The islands, which are located near the entrance of the Gulf of Aqaba, have been held by Egypt since since the 17th century, and it has long been understood that the islands are part of Egypt’s territory. Egyptian5000 (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tiran island[edit]

Tiran (Arabic: جزيرة تيران‎ Jazīrat Tīrān,[1] aka Jezîret Tīrān[2] and Yotvat Island,[3][4] is an Egyptian island according to the international border demarcated in 1906 between Britain and the Ottoman Empire.[5] It is located at the entrance of the Straits of Tiran[1], which separates the Red Sea from the Gulf of Aqaba. It has an area of about 80 square kilometres (31 square miles). It is part of the Ras Muhammad National Park. The Straits of Tiran is Israel's only access from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Red Sea, and Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran on 22 May 1967 was the casus belli for Israel in the Six Day War.[6]

Tiran Island is of strategic significance in the area, as it forms the narrowest section of the Straits of Tiran, which is an important sea passage to the major ports of Aqaba in Jordan and Eilat in Israel. Israel briefly took over Tiran Island during the Suez Crisis and again from 1967 to 1982 following the Six Day War. The island is currently inhabited only by military personnel from Egypt and the Multinational Force and Observers [MFO].

Chisholm Point is a cape of Tiran Island.

Some sources report that many beaches on the island are mined.[7]

On 9 April 2016, the Egyptian government declared[8] that Tiran and Sanafir Island fall within the territorial waters of Saudi Arabia as codified in the maritime border agreement signed with the government of Saudi Arabia on the previous day. The agreement needs to be ratified by Egypt's Parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drghost30 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Current Administrator of Tiran Island[edit]

Article currently states "administered by Saudi Arabia". This is incorrect. It is currently administered by Egypt. The agreement announced on 9 April 2016 is not in force as it is subject to ratification by the Egyptian parliament. Until then, Egypt is the de facto administrator. The Egyptian military is clearly in control of the island and it has not been handed over. Egyptian tour operators conduct daily diving and snorkeling trips to the island. Furthermore, administration of the waterway is governed by the Camp David Accord to which Saudi Arabia is not a party nor a signatory. Would a registered user please make the correction. Thanks.Igramudi (talk) 02:29, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2016[edit]

Tiran Is a 100% Egyptian land. you are faking history 2.50.142.44 (talk) 11:12, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - history moves on - please read this - Arjayay (talk) 14:15, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone provide a reliable independent source concerning the current "ownership" of the island? And on the ratification? I did not find anything about the need for ratification in the source provided by user Eassa. May I ask for an exact quote from the source used? Even better, an independent source in English (bcs English wiki prefers sources in English). Also I do not understand the claim that "Ratification is of the the decision to return the Island and not of its ownership." The article says nothing about when the island belonged to Saudi Arabia (apart from the lead which was changed to reflect the current change - prior to this, the article read "Egyptian island") so it looks like it is a change of ownership. Thanks WikiHannibal (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Update: The same holds for Sanafir Island - the article says the agreement needs to be ratified but already claims it belongs to SA. WikiHannibal (talk) 19:04, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes from speech by Egypt's representative at the UN added by User:Knowledge Examiner[edit]

I'm not sure of the relevance of the addition by a speech by Egypt's UN representative in 1954 to the legal question of sovereignty of the island. It seems to be lengthy and is a political statement of the then government of Egypt. I do not feel that it adds value to the article. Throughout history, politicians have made speeches that, while significant in the political context of the time, do not constitute an internationally accepted statement of law. I urge removal of most if not all of the added text. Eassa (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This statement wasn't meant to be a statement of law but documentation of the history of claims to the islands by different countries. But I agree with you that it should be removed, the article wasn't that big when I added this part but as it gets bigger we need to summarize. Knowledge Examiner (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tiran Island[edit]

The Island does belong to Egypt, please edit "Tiran (Arabic: جزيرة تيران‎ Jazīrat Tīrān,[1] aka Jezîret Tīrān[2] and Yotvat Island,[3][4] is an island[5] currently administered by Egypt. The island is located at the entrance of the Straits of Tiran, which separates the Red Sea from the Gulf of Aqaba. It has an area of about 80 square kilometres (31 square miles). It is part of the Ras Muhammad National Park. The Straits of Tiran is Israel's only access from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Red Sea, and Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran on 22 May 1967 was the casus belli for Israel in the Six Day War.[6]"

to "Tiran (Arabic: جزيرة تيران‎ Jazīrat Tīrān,[1] aka Jezîret Tīrān[2] and Yotvat Island,[3][4] is an EGYPTIAN island[5] currently administered by Egypt. The island is located at the entrance of the Straits of Tiran, which separates the Red Sea from the Gulf of Aqaba. It has an area of about 80 square kilometres (31 square miles). It is part of the Ras Muhammad National Park. The Straits of Tiran is Israel's only access from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Red Sea, and Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran on 22 May 1967 was the casus belli for Israel in the Six Day War.[6]"

like it was 6 days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.41.238.31 (talk) 08:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia claims the islands[edit]

  • In Egypt, The Rupulic act of 1990 (The act number 27) pupblished byالجريدة الرسمية (the official newspaper), did not include Tiran and Sanafir as part of Egypt [2]
  • The infamous Egyptian journalist Mohamed Hassanein Heikal wrote a book titled سنوات الغليان (The 30 years war-1967 part one: Years of boiling)(1988), "Tiran and Sanafir Islands, which were used by Egypt to intercept Israeli movement in the gulf (of Aqaba), are Saudi Arabian islands and were administrated by Eygpt according to a special arrangement between Riyadh and Cairo", The not-so-friendly to Saudi Arabia author described the situation of the islands on page 91 of his book. He clearly said they are saudi but under the administration of Egypt and soon Saudi will take over.
  • Historical map of 1895 shows the two Islands painted in the same colour as The Hijaz region which eventually became part of Saudi Arabia as a whole after the fall of The Ottoman Empire. (2016-635963482038910180-891 main.jpg)
  • Correspondents published in the media between Saudi Arabia and Egyptian governments never mentioned that any Egyptian government claimed the two islands as part of the Egyptian territory.
  • The names of the Islands are cleary Saudi in origan [3]
— Preceding unsigned comment added by عبدالعزيز بن محيسن (talk • contribs) 01:06, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding bullet point 1: There is no "Republic Act of 1990". Alleged item is an executive decree, not an act of parliament. Citation is merely a newspaper article quoting a government official commenting on the alleged contents of said decree. Bullet point 3: If possible please add an authentic working link to referenced 1895 map. Bullet point 5: Names cannot be Saudi in origin since Saudi Arabia didn't come into existence until many years after the islands became know by these names.Igramudi (talk) 18:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding bullet point 3: I couldn't find any reference to such a map and I couldn't find any maps after 1906 to indicate to which side the islands belong after the supposedly Egyptian occupation in 1906 claimed by Egypt's representative. Also no maps show to which side these islands belong after the fall of the Ottoman empire and before the existence of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.Knowledge Examiner (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi king Abdel Aziz al-Saud granting Egypt permission to defend the islands added by User:Ain92 =[edit]

This statement doesn't cite any reference except for a media article by a Saudi author who didn't provide any references in his article to support his statements. So I will change the text to viewed as a claim by Saudi media.Knowledge Examiner (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of a quote[edit]

I will remove the following quote as its reference is a dead link: Taking into consideration certain velleities which have manifested themselves recently on the part of Israel authorities on behalf of the Islands of Tiran and Sanafir in the Red Sea at the entrance of the Gulf of Aqaba, the Government of Egypt acting in full accord with the Government of Saudi Arabia has given orders to occupy effectively these two islands. This occupation is now an accomplished fact.Knowledge Examiner (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't. It works for me. Googlebooks rarely result in dead links but apparently it happens... --WikiHannibal (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%BA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1
  2. ^ سامي القمحاوي (April 12, 2016). "شكري: قرار جمهوري عام 1990 بحدودنا البحرية لم يتضمن تيران وصنافير". Al-Ahram.
  3. ^ Urban dictionary titled"معجم اللهجات المحكية", sulaiman Al darsony.P.451

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2016[edit]

Mrp9799 (talk) 14:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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