Talk:Thiranagama

Source verification[edit]

Nawaghima, would it be possible for you to give brief excerpts from the sources cited in order to verify that they discuss Thiranagama as a distinct location? I'm unable to find any online sources confirming its existence. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: I found these results in a Google book search. Village names in family names and surnames are conventional for some Sinhalese names. My family name too contains one. Happy new year!--Chanaka L (talk) 01:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year as well. Unfortunately, the sources that come up in that search seem to suggest that it's merely the name of a transit station; the excerpt from Sri Lanka by Philip Briggs reads Express trains won't stop at the more southerly Thiranagama or Kumarakanda, so if your hotel is closer to one of these stations; Rough Guide to Sri Lanka by Gavin Thomas reads The bus and train stations are at the northern end of Hikkaduwa town. A tuktuk from here to Wewala will cost around Rs.80, to Narigama around Rs.100 and to Thiranagama around Rs.120.. Would you happen to be able to find any sources in Sinhala? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 01:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I found the followings. From this search,

this list Thiranagama sub-post office. The website is Hikkaduwa Urban Council's
this lists community health assistants in the village. Document from Hikkaduwa Divisional Secretariat
news about a shooting in Thiranagama junction. The newspaper is Lankadeepa
news of a Russian tourist drowned in Thiranagama beach. The site is Hiru TV and Hiru FM's news site.

Cheers. Chanaka L (talk) 02:42, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above collection of sources suggests to me that we should probably merge information about Thirangama to Hikkaduwa, since they all describe it as a location in or near Hikkaduwa, and it doesn't appear to meet WP:NGEO. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 02:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Rosguill, and dear Chanakal. Very sorry, I didn't answer your message. Hikkaduwa, a very large zone of 65 square kilometers (http://hikkaduwa.ds.gov.lk/index.php/en/about-us/overview.html), is one of the 339 "Divisional Secretary's Divisions" of Sri Lanka.

The population of Sri Lanka is 22 millions and the "villages/localities/municipalities", called "Grama Niladhari Divisions", are 14,018. (you can see here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Sri_Lanka).

Thiranagama is a locality that is not a part of Hikkaduwa town, but of the very large "Hikkaduwa Divisional Secretary's Divisions". Hikkaduwa town covers 3 of the 28 "localities/Grama Niladhari" (http://hikkaduwa.ds.gov.lk/index.php/en/administrative-structure/gn-divisions.html) of this Divisional Secretary's Divisions. Some other informations can be seen here :

And Thiranagama also meets WP:NGEO because the two 5-star hotels in the District of Hikkaduwa are in Thiranagama. I hope I answered your questions. Best regards. --Nawaghima (talk) 14:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I was unable to verify the above. The hikkaduwa.ds.gov.lk links all timed out for me. I was able to access the statistics.gov.lk, but those sources do not make it clear whether Thiranagama is a distinct location or a census division, which is an important distinction for NGEO. The presence of hotels in Thiranagama doesn't really matter one way or another. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok :/ And can you see this link ? : http://hikkaduwa.ds.gov.lk/index.php/en/administrative-structure/gn-divisions.html On this one, it is very because, in the same list o "localities/Grama Niladhari", there is Dodanduwa that has an article on Wikipedia

Another clear sign that Thiranagama is a distinct location, it's that it has a different post code (80244) than Hikkaduwa (80240) : https://lk.geoview.info/thiranagama,1226411

What do you think ?--Nawaghima (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

geoview.info looks like an AI or GEONET-backed database, I wouldn't assume that they're reliable, and there's obvious, significant grammatical errors on the linked page. Having a unique postal code doesn't really tell us anything, as postal divisions can be arbitrary. I still can't get the hikkaduwa.ds.gov links to work, if you can access them, could you copy relevant text to here? The kind of evidence that I'm looking for, that would satisfy NGEO, is information stating when the settlement was founded, incorporated, disincorporated, etc. Basic information about its history as a distinct entity. If we can't meet that level of information, there really isn't anything for us to base an article on. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lanka is one of the poorest country in the world that has not those levels of information. Asking for that level of information is very unfair for this country. About Dodanduwa, when "the settlement was founded, incorporated, disincorporated, etc." doesn't exist. Should this page be erased too ? --Nawaghima (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That article cites Daily News [1], which has some significant coverage about Donduwa's history Dodanduwa on the South Coast was famous in the past for successfully maintaining trade relations with Maldives and India during the era of 'Sailing Ships'. The business community of Dodanduwa had trade connections with their counterparts in India dealing on salted fish, salt, tiles and earthenware. According to the documents found in Sailabimbaramaya, Dodanduwa, the sailing ships anchored on Dodanduwa harbour had enhanced the exotic scenic beauty of the palm fringed beach stretch. I only suggested incorporation dates because that is the kind of information one finds in government documents, which is the main type of source you have provided thus far. If you have prose information about the location's history, that's even better. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]