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Xanadu[edit]

The Tubes had a number in Xanadu. They danced around and preformed a song by the Electric Light Orchestra.

Modern Problems[edit]

Think one of their tracks was used prominently in the film Modern Problems RoyBatty42 22:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep - found it: "Gonna Get It Next Time" Lyrics by Adrienne Anderson
Music by Dominic Frontiere RoyBatty42 22:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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tubes making. model making. small batch products —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.204.192.251 (talk) 05:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oh thats so cute. mistake that the band would likely find funny. Ive got one word for you guys: plastics. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on other band members?[edit]

I want to write on the other band members, but am not sure of notability. wouldnt all the members be notable due to being in this band?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 09:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Singular or Plural - Is a band vs are a band[edit]

I support using Is a band since band is singular. what "the tubes" are is a band. the members of "the tubes" are in a band. but this article is about the band not about the members of the band. For examples of this see The Killers or The Black Eyed Peas Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:54, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But Corn flakes isn't a good example, is it? Martinevans123 (talk)
Corn flakes is plural. the article is about multiple types of flakes. Where as Frosted Flakes are about a singular brand of corn flakes. Just like Pop-Tarts is is and Toaster Pastries is are. Bryce Carmony (talk) 07:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You see corn flakes, or Frosted Flakes, as comparable to a band? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A brand is a single entity. Like a band is. This article is about the band which is a single entity. Why do we say United States is a country not United states are a country becuase when we say Country we indicate we are referring to the united states as a whole. When we refer to "the tubes" as a band. we are reffering to the band as a singular entity. The Tubes is a single band.Bryce Carmony (talk) 08:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To continue my explanation I would say "Pop-tarts are delicious" because individual pop-tarts taste good as I eat them "Pop-tarts is a brand" is not referring to individual pop-tarts. Bryce Carmony (talk) 08:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of interest, would an American fan of the band say "The Tubes is great!"? Or - as a British fan would certainly say - "The Tubes are great!"? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Tubes are great =/= The tubes are a band. Just like me saying "Pop-tarts are delicious" =/= "Pop-tarts are a brand of food" When you say "The Tubes is is a band" you are reffering to the band as a singular entity, just like when we say "The United States is a country" Now if I'm saying "The tubes are great" sure why not. but I still wouldn't say "the Tubes are a band" but I'm American. BrE the custom is to treat every band as a plural (Coldplay are a band. Supertramp are a band, etc) So it's different. Bryce Carmony (talk) 09:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The titles of single entities are always singular. If "The tubes" was a video game, a book, a movie, a band, a paramilitary organization, whatever, it'd be singular when referring to the title. Bryce Carmony (talk) 09:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't bands be different, if that's the way people in the real world refer to them? This is no place for some kind of prescriptive grammatical crusade, whatever brand of breakfast cereal you prefer. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add Bryce Carmony's explanation to my ever-expanding list of "Reasons why all Americans are crazy".  ;-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see that Aerosmith is a band. But then they're not the Aerosmiths, are they. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The title of a single entity uses the singular verb. You do it all the time. League of Legends is a video game. The United Nations is a group. the US Marshals is a law enforcement agency. The Son's of Anarchy is a bikers gang, The Wallflowers is a band. Trolls is a movie. BrE treats all bands as plural because it's an older form of English (Coldplay are a band, Muse are a band, Supertramp are a band, The alan parson's project are a band, etc) but in AmE the title (like the name of a band) of a singular entity uses the singular verb. the majority of band articles already do this. Bryce Carmony (talk) 15:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Band names aren't usually count nouns, are they? Although it's prefectly possible to say "two Pink Floyds" or whatever. In general terms I'd say that whether a band name has an "s" on the end of it or not is wholly irrelevant. And bands aren't breakfast cereals, so it's no use pretending they are. Also not sure why you think the Sons of Anarchy deserve a grocer's apostrophe. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If we were to say "The beach boys are a band" and "Bread is a band" we'd be saying that some band articles are about the members of the band and some band articles are about the bands themselves. That's an inconsistant policy that is needlessly confusing. Every band article is about the band, a singular entity. I wouldn't say "The Carpenters are a trademarked name" I'd say "the Carpenters is a trademarked name" because we're referring to the single entity not the people who make that entity. Bryce Carmony (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, all band articles at Wikipedia are about bands, not their members. That's a very clear policy. Your interpretation of the words "are" and "were" doesn't change that policy. The issue here has nothing to do with trademarks. You are extremely sure that you are right and that everyone else is wrong. But the current response at WP:ANI suggests that you are alone in this belief. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Use this simple test. Is the name of the band a title? is the band a single entity? If you said yes to both of those then we use the singular in AmE. You believe that every band is set to are when that's not the case. many bands (The Black eyed peas, The Wallflowers, etc) use is not are.
I certainly don't believe that "every band is set to are" and I've never suggested any such thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • English is a dog of a language. It has a whole bunch of grammatical rules and then one over-riding rule: ignore the rules, whatever sounds OK is acceptable. That's what makes it so flexible, and why it's become the world language. It also drives the French crazy, which is a plus.
Who cares whether a band is a singular noun or not? Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't (see what I just did?). Depends how you feel. Anyone who insists it simply must be one thing or another (because it says so somewhere) is trying to force the language into a straightjacket. Andyjsmith (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that English is a fickle mistress, which only increases my affection for her. and I agree sometimes bands are plural sometimes they are singular .what I'm proposing is that when we are reffering to the band as an entity we say "is" and when we are referring to the members of the band we say are. For the purpose of simplicity I suggest we refer to the band as an entity in the opening sentence in the article about the band. Bryce Carmony (talk) 21:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's a perfectly reasonable, if prescriptive, suggestion for your own household or your own self-published music magazine. But it doesn't appear to have gained quite so much traction at Wikipedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. As ever, he appears to miss my point completely: he can "propose" and "suggest" all he likes but very few people will pay any attention because things are what they are, not what one editor would like them to be. Andyjsmith (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not one editor, it's many editors over 100s of articles that agree with me. while I'm somewhat flattered by your quixotic image you've conjured up to describe me. This is a very real thing that lots of people besides me think. BrE treats every band as plural since that's just how they roll. AmE doesn't have a hard and fixed rule for bands but we do have the convention of referring to all singular entities (like the United States, Pop-tarts, etc) in the singular. There's no reason not to follow this convention here when it improves the quality of Wikipedia (making the opening sentence be about the thing the article is about) Bryce Carmony (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps those "many editors over 100s of articles" will appear at ANI to agree with you. So let's see. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt it, I don't canvas editors and I suspect there's a correlation between understanding grammar and spending time in articles not in ANI. None of the peopl ethere have posted an argument that proves I'm disruptive or edit warring the ban votes all require bad faith assumptions which aren't viable. If I were an edit warrior I'd be playing revert whack a mole instead of explaining how English works. But circling back to the issue at hand. I have multiple sources stating to use singular verbs for singular titles of groups are there any sources saying not to do that?Bryce Carmony (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is that one question or two? And what are your sources? Please show us. I don't think you necessarily have to edit war for people to think you are wasting everyone's time. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at American grammar sites it's also up in the air. UK grammar is easy... it's The Beatles are, The Beatles were (not is and was). American English is all over the place and sports teams and Bands are no exception. Most uses in magazines and news use plural terms for names ending in s. The Lakers are, The Bulls Are, The Cowboys are, but usually the Miami Heat is.... bands The Cars are, the Gobshites are, The Mamas & the Papas were (not was). It's logical but it is mixed per English grammar sites. But with USA mixed and with UK solidly "are", it's better to use the same for all. Plus our standard sources of magazines, books, and newspapers usually use "are". Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
For info: further responses will not be forthcoming as Bryce Carmony has now been blocked indefinitely. Not sure how many other discussion threads like this one there may be. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's informative to know, thanks. However it does have bearing on other articles. I was lead here because another editor is trying to change "The Motels are a band" to "The Motels is a band." Others might be lead here too. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Resurrection of Eve[edit]

Something I notice missing from this VERY thorough entry … is The Tubes appearing as "Jesus Bongo & The Millionaires" in the X-rated film "The Resurrection of Eve". The film was made in 1973 - so I'm not sure if "Jesus" is a pre-Tubes band moniker , or their porn star alias. It apparently is considered "a classic" featuring Marilyn Chambers and produced by The Mitchell Brothers. ( Having not seen the film , it's unclear what their involvement in the film was … actors , background extras , in-film band? ) 75.104.190.117 (talk) 19:26, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Rogue sentence?[edit]

"While rehearsing at Shepperton Studios for the Knebworth show, the band stumbled on the set of Alien."

This seems very tacked on like the beginning of a joke without the delivery of the punch line. I'm tempted to remove it, but wanted to get input from others before doing so. If this could be expanded a bit so it made more sense that would help matters. Thoughts? THX1136 (talk) 13:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the sentence as there was no discussion on it. As it was the sentence made no mention if any one was injured when members of the band stumbled on the set or what the significance of them falling on the set had at the time.THX1136 (talk) 01:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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