Talk:The Peak Lookout

October 2009

I have putin the introduction. Please feel free to add sections to it. --2009549700jain09 (talk) 17:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I have added the Chinese name. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, guys, I add the history part. Please find any mistakes or improvements! I think there are two parts that need verification. They are the function during Anti-Japanese War and the new contract expiring month and year. Please help me out. Also I'm not sure how to put external links. So please check this as well. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 19:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I did some changes to the references and external links. Also, can anyone tell me what is it "Cite error: There are (ref) tags on this page, but the references will not show without a (references/) tag."?? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 19:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I also bold the name "The Peak Lookout". The problem is consistency. Which means we need to bold it throughout the whole page. Should we follow that or we just dont bold it? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 19:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There are some problems with the references you've made. See if you can fix them. Does anybody know how to add pictures to this? Also, there are some grammar errors in this, but don't worry I'll fix those. Just figure out the referencing error.--2009549700jain09 (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I modified spme of the grammatical errors on the Pop Culture section. I think you need to make a ref list. Without that the references won't show.--2009549700jain09 (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ive added the references heading with the footnotes. Though I don't know why it isnt showing the names of the links. --2009549700jain09 (talk) 20:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

What's the references problem? I don't know how to show the names of the links as well. Also I tried the photo but doesn't work. And please tell me how to add the external links list. Thanks. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 20:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well the problems of showing the references was fixed, but it still isn't showing the names of the links. Are you sure you've made the <reference/> brackets correctly? Anyway I'll look into it, and try to do what I can. As for photos, I haven't tried to insert yet, but I will try and do it.--2009549700jain09 (talk) 04:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I managed to add descriptions to the links, but it still says 'Link texts' in front of them. Any idea on how to change that? --2009549700jain09 (talk) 08:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I have been able to fix the references problem, finally, and have added the Transport and Directions section.--2009549700jain09 (talk) 09:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Just added the external links page. And added another link there. Please add more links to external sites relevant to the topic.--2009549700jain09 (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

having a hard time finding anything meaningful related to architecture. will keep looking... 2009556208karp09 (talk) 12:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

put in an infobox. if anyone knows the missing information feel free to put it in, otherwise we'll just remove what we don't know at the end. 2009556208karp09 (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks suhani, for the references. timo: u can try P19 of this link: http://www.amo.gov.hk/form/Brief_Information_on_proposed_Grade_II_Items.pdf for architecture. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 13:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

i also add an external link to the current owner, epicurean. but dont know why is at the same level as the previous link... can somebody solve it? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 13:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I added one picture. Feel free to change or add more. Timo: Good job with the box. Thanks! Sammi, Ill fix the external links problem. --2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Added internal links, and edited some of the language in the history section. Timo, try and find as much as you can about architecture. Just some basic features, maybe the layout of the café. When the renovation was done, what changes were made. Things like that. Also, does anybody know how high it is?−−2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Edited the McDull bit, and added the name of the movie, etc. Anymore pop culture references. Peak lookout in media? Newspaper articles? Magazines? Reviews? Must be more HK movies shot there. We need add more of that stuff. --2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll try finding more movies. But i don't know how to edit the McDull part. I just delected the first sentense to make it sound less advertising. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 08:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

suhani, i think the transportaion part makes it like an advertisement. can we cancel or change a bit? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 08:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I changed it a bit. I don't know why its saying this page is like an advertisement. We still need to find more pop culture references. Look at my comments above for sugestions on what kind of sources we may look at. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I've been googling for more pop culture all evening but its hard. It doesn't seem like the place is that popular beyond brief mentions in travel guides. maybe there's more to be found if you know chinese but well, I don't... 2009556208karp09 (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

by the way, whoever keeps bolding the Peak Lookout - I don't think that's standard Wikipedia practice. 2009556208karp09 (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Got my part up finally, had to do some last minute searching. Need help to make it less commercial. HELP. 2009564750CHOI09 (talk) 9:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I rewrote the first part oof your food section somewhat, let me know if it is okay, otherwise revert is. It indeed needs to sound less promotional. Side note: I added a reference but I don't think I did it right. if anyone could fix it up for me I'd be very grateful. Oh, but if you didn't know that link before, check it out, there might be more info to include. 2009556208karp09 (talk) 13:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank Timo, I think I sugar-coated it with too many words. Oh and thanks, I'm having so many problems with this referencing thing I was about to add that site. I already checked it out, not much info to add, it just states that the Peak Lookout is a member. 2009564750CHOI09 (talk) 9:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

anyone edited history part? things after 2000 are gone. do you guys think its necessary to have that, i mean history after 2000? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i also searched about the movies in Chinese...can't find any. i know one that might have a scene at it, its called Love is a many splendored thing, or something like that. but its too old (1955) and i cant find the movie to watch. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

may somebody go to the peak tomorrow? or the peak cafe? i think there will be some display of movie scenes of the cafe. thx 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

we still need to add data on the infobox for the missing things or remove the data fields if we don't know. i would also suggest for one person to go in tomorrow and perhaps rewrite everything / iron out any grammar and style inconsistencies. feel free to speak up if you'd like to do it. I'll also try finding more stuff but not optimistic... 2009556208karp09 (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It still says its written like an advertisement. i dont get it. Timo, I am regularly fixing grammar and style and spelling already. I think you and I should just keep double checking everything. That way we'd be doubly sure.2009549700jain09 (talk) 05:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I've changed some of the language and grammar on the food secton. Was sounding too biased I think. Timo, I think Ive fixed ur referencing problem.2009549700jain09 (talk) 05:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The "Food" section very much reads like a review in a magazine, that's part of the reason why the advertisement notice has been posted. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and articles should contain info of encyclopedic interest. Not sure that a sentence like "The multicultural background of the Peak Lookout's staff has led to a highly varied menu" would sound very enclyclopedic to most people. Hope this helps. olivier (talk) 06:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks you very much, olivier. that helps! 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 06:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I modified the food section, delected words like 'all time favourite', 'famous', etc. as well as the brunch specials. well, of course the part that olivier mentioned above. please check if it sounds better. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 06:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

also could somebody tell me if he/she delected the history after 1947? there's the grading in 1981 and renaming in 2001 coming after. i dont think that makes it like an advertisement. so, please who delected? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 06:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know who deletedit Sammi. I think its best if ytou just add it again. We're running out of time. I've also added a small section on surroundings. Hope its okay. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 06:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Ive tried to make the food section more neutral. an anyone think of aything else that may be changed?2009549700jain09 (talk) 06:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

the surrounding section is good though short. i cant add the history now cos my computer here cant open the original file...i'll do it when i'm back tonight. have you check other groups' pages? we might know what to add from their pages. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 06:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

suhani, remember the photo links i sent to you? just add the photos first 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

ok, checking others' pages, i know that we are way too far behind...we just have too limited information!! 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

i add a sentence about wines. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

not sure what I could possibly add. does ANYONE have any more info regarding architecture? 2009556208karp09 (talk) 07:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

timo, i found the altitude. it's about 395m. i added it 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

btw, timo, do you know how to add photos? i have a few to put on but dont know how. can you help me? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

suhani, pls check portal, i've sent some photos to you. i'm goin bak hk now. will be bak at abt 9pm 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 07:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll add the pictures, but we need to give sources and copyright info for each, so provide me with those later. Everybody just skim through the page and see if anything else neds to be chnaged/added/ modified. --147.8.43.241 (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

i added something to the history part. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 13:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

add 2 photos to history section. pls see if needs modification in format or something. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The photos are good. But do you think they shd e put on top of the paras or what? they same a but weird in the middle of the para like that. Maybe at the bottom of the paras?2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I have corrected the grammar, style and punctuation of the article as a whole. And I have added bits and pieces of info in Architecture. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

i thinks the photos are fine at the bottom. btw, where r d other 2 guys? 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 14:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Does the copyright licenses of the 2 pictures from http://gwulo.com match those of Wikipedia? I am afraid that there might not be free to be used. olivier (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

do u think it's necessary to add mcdull pics? i think that'll be too redundant... 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 14:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I have incorporated different sections in the food heading. And added the executive chef section under the same head.Sammi, Olivier is clarifying something about the photos you posted. have you listed the copyright? Thanks Olivier, we'll look into it.2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

ANy other external links/internal links u may want to provide? Please add. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

i cant figure out how to check it...since i cant find the license and exact author, i may just delect them 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 15:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's the best thing to do. If no copyright information is provided, then the pictures will be deleted more or less automatically later anyway. olivier (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

thank you for reminding, Olivier. 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's too bad because these pictures were quite nice. In fact for one of them here, the say that "it is a digital copy of a postcard". I am not an expert, but I suppose that a postcard from the 1960s is not yet in the public domain. olivier (talk) 15:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Olivier. I wish we could've incorporated those pictures though. They were really pretty. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

At least you can add links to them in the "external links" section. olivier (talk) 16:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

thank you for your suggestion, olivier. we'll do that. also i would like to know if there's any problem with the chef photo. i'm not sure if it's allowed to be put on here. thanks 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 05:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The first question is: does he agree to be there? if yes, there is not much problem about having his picture here, other than the fact that it again may look like an advertisement. olivier (talk) 09:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

since the photo may look like an advertisement, I just delected it. also I added external link to the two old pictures 2009534896CUI09 (talk) 14:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You were syaing u had a problem with adding the names to the links. But it seems fine to me now. Thanks for adding the external links Sammi. 2009549700jain09 (talk) 14:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I've been having trouble sorting out pictures and licensing the images we have put up. Now I ave listed them under non-free fair use criterion. Either we may wait till the 28th and let it be added to wikimedia commons, or just replace it with an image already within the database. To be on the safe side for now, I am going to add another image instead of the one we have. Is that okay with everybody? --2009549700jain09 (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Confusion

I note some confusion within the article as to what the subject is. Whilst the lead indicates it is the building which has the claim to notability, the article gives considerable emphasis to the current restaurant, including details about its opening times food, etc. to the extent that it sounds very promotional. I have therefore retitled the sections, cut back on the promotion in the hope that due emphasis is given to the proper subject with future edits. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)