Talk:The Last of Us Part II

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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Neil Druckmann

• ... that, for the final months of the development of The Last of Us Part II, Naughty Dog was forced to work from home due to the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: GQ
  • ALT1:... that the themes of The Last of Us Part II were inspired by writer Neil Druckmann's (pictured) experiences growing up in Israel? Source: GQ
  • ALT2:... that the themes of violence in The Last of Us Part II were inspired by Neil Druckmann's (pictured) memories of watching the 2000 Ramallah lynching? Source: The New York Times
  • ALT3:... that The Last of Us Part II was the subject of review bombing on Metacritic, resulting in a user review score of 3.4/10 at its nadir? Source: VG247
  • ALT4:... that The Last of Us Part II is the fastest-selling PlayStation 4 exclusive game, with over four million copies sold in its release weekend? Source: Push Square

• Reviewed: Super Mario Bros. 35
• Comment: Image only used with ALT1 and ALT2

Improved to Good Article status by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 02:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC).

• Recently promoted to GA status (neutral, long, no copyright issues), QPQ done, hook is interesting and cited, preference for ALT 2. Good work! Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Sequel

There seems to be a bit of edit warring going on over the issue of whether or not there should be a sequel section on this article. I noted in the edit summary to please bring up the topic here on the talk page, but my comment has been ignored. User:Rhain claims that Neil Druckman is not a reliable source to cite regarding information he shared about a possible sequel to the game. They also claim that the information is a "throwaway I've thought about it comment" which seems to indicate that they didn't consult the source, since this is not true per Druckman's comments. Rhain's assertion that the information is "Unnecessary and not notable" is their own POV, violating Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy. Recommend a third party review the addition to weigh in per WP:3O. —scarecroe (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Rhain that it doesn't seem like a major element worthy of inclusion here, at least not its own subsection, per WP:DUE. Feels speculative and inconsequential at this point. Popcornfud (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

It also seems that you don't really understand WP:NPOV, which doesn't prevent editors from having opinions about how articles should be written. Popcornfud (talk) 23:45, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with Rhain on this, it would be indiscriminate to list everything Neil or similar says about a potential sequel. Wait until official confirmation, then note it. Also, you can't just note in an edit summary to come here and expect that to not be "ignored", the WP:ONUS is on you as supporting inclusion of content to gain consensus for it, plus going against the WP:STATUSQUO. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 09:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Some of the moderation here is bizarre.....

There's a handful of other videogames & films w/ a "potential sequel" tab, so why can't TLOU2 get that luxury? 2601:1C2:1500:5190:2079:E15C:3EB0:9A64 (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Removal of unverifiable claim that the game holds "The Record of Most Game of the Year Awards"

As stated the claim the game holds the record of "most game of the year awards" nominations needs removal as this is an unverifiable claim and instead replaced with a statement simply listing the ballpark of how many awards it received.

The source at present is a single piece in VG247 that simply cites the the website GameAwards.Net, which used to aggregate known awards given to games each year, as the basis for the entire seven sentence article. However, as detailed in the stats page of GameAwards.Net:

"As such, the "totals" for any year can only show you the minimum amount of awards that a particular game received, not the exact number, and they certainly cannot be used to compare games from different years in such precise detail. There could be five awards missing, or there could be fifty—no one can know for certain. Any site attempting to claim otherwise is trying to mislead you." [1]

This shouldn't be a controversial removal given that it is a basic issue of VG247 demonstrably misusing and misrepresenting the information recorded on GameAwards.Net in a way that the website itself is specifying it can't be used to establish as it doesn't know how many GOTY awards are even awarded, only how many it has chosen to select and record on the website.

This is also fundamentally the exact same issue that recently saw the "Global" section of the List of most-watched television broadcasts purged due to the fact it is inherently impossible to properly assess and establish the veracity of any such wide-ranging claim. Apache287 (talk) 10:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Several reliable sources are used to verify the information, not just VG247. Seems like a logical, referenced inclusion. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

No @Rhain, none of them have verified the actual information, the claimed fact that The Last of Us Part 2 or frankly any game ever had the most Game of the Year awards in the world. All they did was go to the same anonymous website where someone google searched and tallied GOTY awards for fun, a website that actively says "do not use this to say with certainty one game has the record", and then reported the hobbyist website as though it was the equivalent of say Box Office Mojo or Official Charts Company. There is no measurable way to prove how many GOTY awards are awarded each year worldwide and of that how many any game got.

All we can verifiably support with those sources is that a game got at least so many awards, so saying The Last of Us Part 2 accrued in excess of 300 awards is provable. That no other game got more can't be proven.

Simply put, the data analysis issue here is the equivalent of someone giving a random Twitter poll the same "worth" as Gallup. Apache287 (talk) 00:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Audience and developer response

@SuperSalamander5434: In the interest of avoiding more edit warring, please feel free to voice your issues with the article's content here. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC)