Talk:Tampere–Pirkkala Airport

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Too much "you will find a taxi" -style text, not very encyclopedia style... 195.148.99.110 (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Destinations[edit]

Certain users keep changing the destination airport names. Please do not do this. The naming convention is clear in the wiki guidelines. I kind of feel that changing London-Stansted to Stansted is kind of ridiculous and doesn't really expand the reader's knowledge, which is the point of wikipedia. Why not change the whole article's name to Pirkkala Airport? I seem to remember someone a few years ago kept changing Helsinki-Vantaa to Vantaa Airport. This might be the same guy. Please stop, I have yet to find a wiki guideline that supports your case, and have found guidelines that suggest otherwise, that the name should be principal location served followed by the name of the airport i.e "New York JFK". If you have evidence I am wrong then please please post a link here, stop refering cryptically to wikiguidelines. Olyus (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree Olyus, I have watched Jasepl's edits over a period of time, and they seem totally non-constructive. His edits are by enlarge contested, and at points he's even resorted to threatening other editors who like us have disagreed. If he is so committed to the cause, I would like to see him put a proposal for the moving of London Stansted to Stansted. --NorthernCounties (talk) 12:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonality[edit]

Other users have changed the destinations list of ryanair show routes they consider to be "seasonal". Ryanair's website (specifically the route map) states these are not seasonal. Arguments have been put forward that the routes were previously operated and appear to be seasonal. This might be right, in fact it probably is, but there is no evidence for this. How are we to know whether ryanair has canceled and reinstated routes because they are seasonal, because of airport charges, fleet usage etc... Ryanair's website is the best resource on this matter, unless there are expert opinions published that suggest otherwise.

Additionaly, it has been stated that route start dates are not notable. On this issue, pretty much every other wikipage on airports suggests that they are notable. Please find me a statement from wikiguidelines showing they are not notable. For the time being, I think we should mirror convention. Olyus (talk) 21:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If a route only operates between March - October then it is seasonal. If you look on other pages you will see this, ie. Dublin Airport, Malaga Airport and Faro Airport etc. Useing Dublin as an example you will see that all the routes dispayed on the Ryanair new routes page are all seasonal (except a few new routes) and it showes this on the Dublin Airport page. If you look at the Ryanair route map there are very few routes displayed as seasonal but if you go to the booking system you will see that they don't operate during the winter. The only new rotues from Tampree this year are Pisa and Alicante. eg the Trampree - Malaga is displayed as seasonal on the Malaga Airport page. Did Malaga, Milan operate last summer??? Yes. As they operated last summer how are they new rotues?? It clear that some people need to look up what New Route means because it dosn't mean if a route operated last year that it is suddenly new this year. Also PLEASE stop removing Riga from page as Ryanair will be returning it next summer as it is a Seasonal route just like it has being for the last 2 years. Jamie2k9 (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but you need to provide references and evidence. Your word alone has no value. Please can you provide some evidence that Ryanair will operate Riga next summer? Can you provide evidence these routes are indeed seasonal. I realize that that is your suposition, but that is not enough for wikipedia. I do not want to have an edit war, but if you can not produce a source I will revert it and ask for mediation if it is changed again. Without refs, I doubt they will mediate in your favour. Olyus (talk) 23:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The route shows as operating on the Ryanair website. They are still putting the summer 2011 online. The delay with Riga service is because it is usally operated by a German based a/c and Ryanair are still in talkes with Weeze. Berlin. and Bremen to lower airport charges before they announce cuts to the other German bases in the next few weeks over Travel Tax

Go to Ryanair and try and book riga - Tampere flights. Put you departure before the end of March which is the winter season and the return after March which is the summer season. The return dates will have aeroplanes with a red cross going through them which means tbe route is operating but no bookable yet. It is also still on the route map. Beleave me it will be back. It should be operating 4 times weekly. Jamie2k9 (talk) 00:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe, I think you are right, but we must be able to provide evidence, not such conjecture. I know the planes went last summer, I took them! But without anything to prove it is season and with no commencement date it should be removed. Olyus (talk) 01:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any refs I'm afraid I will change the article back to what can be established with sources. I felt I should warn you. If you disagree with this, I'm sure we can seek mediation. Olyus (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Riga[edit]

Now that Jamie2k9 has provided links, can we stop being pedantic... if we know there is a ref for the route, can we stop polluting the page by having it there unnecessarily. Btw, Hyva Jouluaa my fellow Finnish editors.--NorthernCounties (talk) 19:22, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie2K9 has not provided a link that shows the route is seasonal, that is the point. Original research has no place on wikipedia. It is his opinion that the route is seasonal, Ryanair do not declare it as such. I agree the history of the route suggests seasonality, but without evidence, we can not make further statements. Olyus (talk) 02:26, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did the route operate for summmer 2010?? Yes.

Did the route operate this winter?? No.

IS the route operating next summmer?? Yes.

How hard is it to realise that it is a seasonal route?

At the monement the route will be seasonal and Ryanair intend to keep it that way until further notice. It's also worth pointing out that if a route was year round and it then goes to a seasonal route it will rarly operate year round again. (Riga was year round)

Just like you seem to think that Malaga and Milan are new routes but both operated last summer. I know Ryanair listed them as being new but they have done that with most seasonal routes this year but all other airports pages havent beong changes to say that they are new routes.

Also Pisa is going to be seasonal route and it may be deopped next October for good. One thing is for sure it won't operate next winter. Jamie2k9 (talk) 13:32, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie, I completely agree with you. Three different editors have not contested his revisions. And he has broken 3RR. Hence, I have warned him here. Should he revert again, I shall be placing his details on the Wiki Admin Notice Board. --NorthernCounties (talk) 13:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted repeated revisions without references. You have been asked repeatedly. This verges on vandalism, unless you dispute the need for references. Whether or not three editors feel one way or another is of no concern to me, what matters is whether a statement can be backed up by references. Ryanair clearly state that Riga is not a seasonal route. In answer to the proposed questions:

Did the route operate for summmer 2010?? Yes.

(Ed. Yes, but it is not sourced)

Did the route operate this winter?? No.

(Ed. Yes, but it is not sourced)

IS the route operating next summmer?? Yes.

(Ed. Yes, but it is not soruced)

How hard is it to realise that it is a seasonal route?

(Personally, not hard. For the standards of wikipedia, very hard without a ref.)

If you plan to report me, what will you report? That you have consistantly tried to insert your own research and opinions into a wikipedia article, and I have been forced to waste a lot of time keeping that article clean? I really doubt that any more senior editor will be sympathetic to someone who keeps trying to place their own research and opinions into articles. I have been editing for quite some time, always in good faith and always referenced, and I expect the same from other editors. It is pretty basic wikipedia that original research and unref'd claims have no place. Olyus (talk) 02:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what the problem is here, Ryanair has flown from Riga to Tampere on a seasonal basis since last year. A quick search of the Ryanair site shows the route here restarting on 27 March. Valenciano (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Valenciano, perhaps you could contribute here. --NorthernCounties (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the problem Valenciano is that it doesn't show the route restarting, it shows it starting. There is a difference. Olyus (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you look at the Mediation page Olyus, you'll find Valenciano has provided links albeit in Latvian from 2009. The route is therefore restarting. --NorthernCounties (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree entirely with you NorthernCountries, but the above comment refered to source from Ryanair's page. You must understand, there is a difference between what we know and can prove. This is just good editing. Olyus (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation request[edit]

Hello! A mediation request has been opened, over at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-12-25/Tampere-Pirkkala Airport.

I'd like to mediate this case. Much of my experience is in transport articles although I haven't edited this one. If you don't want me to mediate, or if you don't want mediation at all, just say so. Mediation won't work unless everybody's happy to go ahead with it.
Is anybody else involved? The medcab request mentions user:Jamie2k9 and User:olyus, but I note that User:NorthernCounties has commented here too. Any others?
If there's enforcement (or some other dispute resolution) going on elsewhere, it might make mediation more difficult.
Is there anything else I can do to help? If a full-blown mediation case is a bit too big for a dispute over one comment, I'm happy to proved a third opinion instead. bobrayner (talk) 16:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics[edit]

Finavia has published new statistics for passenger but article seems to be locked up. http://www.finavia.fi/files/kronodoc/2284/194932/Matkustajat%20lentoasemittain%20suo-fi.pdf --jertique I (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Renovations at Terminal 2 Complete[edit]

Now that T2 has been renovated, some of the pictures of this article need to be updated. Finavia has pictures of the renewed terminal in their material bank at [1] but I don't know if they can be used on this article as is. Is it possible to link to the material bank until such time that someone submits pictures that are compatible with the Wikipedia copyright rules? 2001:708:310:52:222:19FF:FE24:CC93 (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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