Talk:Sudanese nomadic conflicts/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Timeline

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MARCH 5-13, 2009 - At least 453 people, mainly women and children, are killed in attacks by the Lou Nuer tribe on at least 17 villages of the rival Murle ethnic group in Jonglei. The Lou Nuer say the incidents were retaliation for large-scale cattle raiding and attacks on Lou Nuer villages in January.

APRIL 18-19 - At least 177 people are killed in attacks on 16 villages of the Lou Nuer tribe by Murle fighters. Women and children are targeted in what are widely seen as revenge attacks for the March violence.

JUNE 12 - Jikany Nuer, like the Lou a sub-group of the large Nuer tribe, attack barges carrying U.N. food aid on the Sobat River to Lou Nuer areas in Jonglei. At least 40 southern soldiers and boat crew are killed.

AUG. 2 - Murle attack a Lou Nuer fishing settlement near Akobo town in Jonglei State, killing 185 people. Southern soldiers guarding the camp are also killed.

AUG. 28 - Around 800 Lou Nuer attack Wernyol, a Dinka Bor village in Jonglei State, killing 38 and wounding 76. The south's army said this was the work of a Lou Nuer militia, adding that a Murle militia also exists.

SEPT. 20 - A large group of fighters from the Lou Nuer ethnic group attack Duk Padiet village, inhabited by the Dinka Hol tribe, in Jonglei. More than 100 people are killed.

OCT. 3-5 - At least 23 people are killed and 21 injured in tit-for-tat cattle raids between the Mundari and Dinka Bor tribes, the deputy governor of Jonglei state says.

NOV. 15-16 - A vehicle carrying South Sudan's Agriculture Minister Samson Kwaje is ambushed killing five and injuring the minister, the south's Internal Affairs Minister said.

At least seven people are killed during an attack by fighters from the Mundari tribe on the rival Dinka Aliap group in Awerial county in Lakes state.

DEC. 31 - Seventeen people are killed when armed civilians ambushed south Sudanese soldiers trying to disarm tribes following heavy fighting.

JAN. 2, 2010 - Nuer tribesmen attack Dinka cattle herders in Tonj East, a remote part of oil-producing south Sudan, and seize about 5,000 animals. At least 139 people are killed 54 wounded, a local official says.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by De Administrando Imperio (talk • contribs) 13:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

reorganize content

I want to begin reorganizing content from this and South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present). As it stands it's nearly impossible to make any sense of context, continuity, and differences between the regions and groups. This IMO results from and contributes to the broad perception of the whole region as an undifferentiated sump of wanton violence. My initial suggestions are:

This article will be kept an overview of the series of conflicts. It will maintain coverage of state-proxy militia relationships and similar
The individual conflicts will be separated out; for example Darfur content will go in that article and new pages will be made for the distinct Abyei, Murle etc. fights.
Redundant content from South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present) will be eliminated and the remainder similarly distributed

I look forward better suggestions from all and to a reasoned and constructive discussion. Regards, Keitsist (talk) 19:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

As discussed on my talk page I agree with you regarding a reorganisation. One is long overdue and my knowledge of the situation isn't enough to start it. Perhaps you can come up with a list of separate articles you can see being split off from this one. We can then create sandboxes as subpages of this talk space to use as works in progress whilst we combine information from this article and the internal conflict article. We could use another subpage to rewrite this article as an overview and I can history merge them together when done - Dumelow (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Improve or delete!

This article is essentially a timeline of armed clashes in Sudan and South Sudan, there is no attempt at a common arc or theme, nor is there information here that can't be found in other, more specific articles (like War in Darfur, Sudan internal conflict (2011–present), and South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present)). Charles Essie (talk) 02:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Aye, this timeline format is not valuable. I think it comes from "drive by" edits made by well-intentioned editors posting a recent event without seeking to put it into context because they don't understand any of it. See the multiple attempts to remedy this at Talk:South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present). I would prefer archiving this list somewhere until its contents is integrated into the other articles, rather than nuking it now. Keitsist (talk) 08:05, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. Charles Essie (talk) 23:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Merge

This page should be merged into South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present), Sudan internal conflict (2011–present), Sudan – South Sudan Border War, and War in Darfur, because all this page really is a timeline of random clashes that are covered much more extensively in the above articles. Charles Essie (talk) 17:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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