Talk:Steamship Authority

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Requested move 5 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Participants found that the word "The" was not consistently treated by sources as part of the organization's name. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steamship Authority → The Steamship Authority – I would like to discuss whether WP:THE applies to this article. I'm not entirely sure whether it does it not, and I was hoping we could discuss whether it does or not. Interstellarity (talk) 20:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 20:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ Neutral. This will revert an undiscussed move from 2019. WP:THE applies to all articles; the question is how it applies in this particular case. Although this case is not clearcut, the section Names of groups, sports teams and companies does allow the use of "The" in company names, and this company does appear to consistently use "The" as part of its name. Station1 (talk) 06:01, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:THE. Their website is https://www.steamshipauthority.com/, not https://www.thesteamshipauthority.com/. Even that does not generally capitalise "the" - see here, here, here, here, etc. this company does appear to consistently use "The" as part of its name is therefore patently untrue. It only generally does it in its headers, not in running text. However, it would be better moved to the full name: Woods Hole, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket Steamship Authority, which is certainly used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
URLs are meaningless in this context; see https://www.coca-colacompany.com, https://www.travelers.com/ or https://www.nytco.com, re examples given at WP:THE. It is a good point about "the" not being capitalized in running text, although it's always formations like "Welcome to the Steamship Authority's Online Reservation System", never "Welcome to Steamship Authority's Online Reservation System." I'm changing my comment to "neutral" since there's no other "steamship authority" on WP. (And I have no objection to the full name if there's consensus for that.) Station1 (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The website is totally branded as "The Steamship Authority" and this appears to be the common name. I do not support moving this to the full name since that seems little-used. "Steamship Authority" alone would sound generic to a casual reader even if there's no generic article with that name. I think The Coca-Cola Company article name is a good comparison. QuincyMorgan (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: What matters is not the org's self-branding style. It is independent reliable sources. At least four of the independent sources that are cited in the article use "Steamship Authority" without "The" in their titles (e.g. CBS News). The abbreviation is also SSA rather than TSSA (unlike The Nature Conservancy, The National Archives and The College of New Jersey). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Nantucket ferry" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Nantucket ferry has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7 § Nantucket ferry until a consensus is reached. Interstellarity (talk) 01:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]