Talk:Skirmish at Bender

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Tripped over his spurs?[edit]

This is a very poorly written piece, and who knew Swede wikians could be so nationalistic? King tripped over his spurs? Please have mercy! Not a single word on who these Ottomans were, where Bender is, who the Pasha in charge was, the Sultan of the time, why did Turks fire upon the Swedish camp, and other Ottoman-Russian affairs. Very confusing indeed. Very interesting etymology on kalabalik, but what is that supposed to mean, I mean crowds, in the context of this story? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.153.82 (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kalabalık[edit]

Well, I did a little more investigation. There may have been a lot of editorial discretion applied to this little piece. It simple did not make sense frankly where and how the "crowd" came into the story. Turkish sources cite that King "Karl" was forced to seek sanctuary in the Ottoman border town of Bender beaten and pursued by Russians. Why they got into a skirmish as told in the article here is not clear. Note that at this point he is already a guest of the Sultan for a few years. He was given asylum basically and was known in Turkish history as "Demirbaş" Karl, and there is a very interesting story behind that too, which involves accounting if you can believe it, but I digress. Eventually ramnents of his army also make their way here and they start a large colony, which annoys some folks. In the process, they accumulate a large debt to the merchants of Bender, and who one day get fed up and upset and a large "crowd" of towns people attacks the Swedes and gives them a beating. Sultan inteferes, and "Demirbaş Karl" is sent to Constaninople and to Dimetoka, where he makes close observations of the Ottoman Navy. Dig up "Yaramaz" ve "Yıldırım", Jarramas & Jilderim, two famous Swedish battle gallieons, and there you will find even more interesting details. In any case, there are clear contradictions in the story in the article and the Turkish sources, which I noticed was not used here at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.153.82 (talk) 16:24, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And what about the spurs? If you have looked up additional sources, why don't you add the info to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.194.206 (talk) 09:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The spurs are mentioned by Voltaire. But you are right that this article is poorly written and does no justice to the really interesting story. Check Voltaire's history of Charles XII to find out.--Hyphantes (talk) 12:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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name change?[edit]

In sweden its called 'kalabaliken i Bender', in english that would mean something like 'the unrest in bender'. Maybe it would be more accurate if we changed the name. Dencoolast33 (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]