Talk:Sandwich, Massachusetts

Suggestion from 131.122.44.70 (moved from the main page by CapeCodEph 05:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)):

PLEASE INCLUDE THE WING FORTHOUSE, BUILT IN 1641. HOME OF STEPHEN WING AND NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC (maintained by the Wing Family of America)

How is the neutrality of the article disputed? All I see is a request to include information about a historic site. How is that disputing the neutrality?

• Removed that neutrality tag--didn't seem prudent CapeCodEph 05:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

History source?

Okay, that history section was obviously lifted directly from somewhere. Anyone know where, so it can be cited? ToddC4176 03:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Well it is the same as http://www.falmouthrealestate.net/cape_cod_local_information/sandwich-ma.php which one do you suppose came first? It seems a little contrived that colonists "led ten people through the woods." In those days much transportation was by boat. It would have been easier and possible less dangerous to sail from Plymouth to Sandwich than to go overland.

From "Vital Records of Sandwich, Mass to 1885." NEHGS, Boston, 1996, p. xvii "On April 3, 1637 the Plymouth Colony Court allowed: 'It is also agree by the Court that those tenn men of Saugust, viz Edmond Freeman, Henry Feake, Thomas Dexter, Edward Dillingham, William Wood, John Carman, Richard Chadwell, William Almey, Thomas Tupper & George Knott shall have liberty to view a place to sitt down & have sufficient lands for three score famylies, upon the conditions propounded to them by the Governor and Mr. Winslowe.'

In Winthrop's History of New England from 1630-1649 in Month 11 (January of the old style) 1637 he wrote: "Another plantation was begun (and called Sandwich) about fifteen miles beyond Plymouth, towards Cape Cod, by many families, which removed from Saugus otherwise Lynn." So the date 1637 is Old Style, in new style dates we would call that Month 1 of 1638. So when would you say Sandwich was settled (Jan 1637/1638)? Can you imagine moving to Sandwich in Jan? Too cold or crowded in Lynn I guess?

How about this for an opening paragraph trying to be a little more precise with dates?

Sandwich was first settled in January (month 11) 1637 (Old Style) after ten men (Edmond Freeman, Henry Feake, Thomas Dexter, Edward Dillingham, William Wood, John Carman, Richard Chadwell, William Almey, Thomas Tupper & George Knott) from Saugus were given permission by the Plymouth Colony Court on 3 April (month 2) 1637 (Old Style) "to view a place to sitt down & have sufficient lands for three score famylies, upon the conditions propounded to them by the Governor and Mr. Winslowe." The word "Sandwich" first appears in Plymouth Colony Records in a lawsuit on 2 January (month 11) 1637 (Old Style). The town was "incorporated" two years later in 1639.(source-Quarter millennial celebration of Sandwich & Bourne, 1639-1889, p. 28, Google Books).

None of those original settlers were from Sandwich, Kent, England but "Mr. John Humphrey, Assistant Governor at Saugus seems to have lived in Sandwich, Kent and it is noted that Sandwich on Cape Cod has strong geological parallels: 'a shallow harbor with wide marshes, a bay running southwest/northeast called in Kent Buzzers Reach or Buzzers Belly, here Buzzards Bay and a record of Dutch trade connections." (Vital Records of Sandwich, Mass., p. xx.)

Lrsears (talk) 21:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sandwich town motto

Recently an edit to the word "Naufracia" in the article's rendition of the town motto was undone by "Ajd". The reasoning for the undo was..."more likely that the image of the town seal is low-resolution than that the town motto contains a misspelled Latin word. "Naufragia" is correct." I would suggest that edits should be undone only on the basis of thorough research rather than "more likely". Although the spelling with a "g" is correct modern Latin, the town of Sandwich chose to use the ancient Latin spelling with a "c". My family has resided in the town of Sandwich since it's founding in 1637, being directly descended from both Edmond Freeman and Benjamin Nye. We are quite familiar with the history of the town seal, the motto and the correct spelling of the Latin used therein. One can refer to "Sandwich, A Cape Cod Town" by R.A. Lovell, jr. or simply visit the Sandwich town hall to confirm that "Naufracia" is the correct spelling.Sandfree (talk) 15:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Updated with the Glass Factory

I was surprised to find that the History section made no mention of the Boston & Sandwich Glass Factory, a major economic force for the town in the 19th Century. (I resided in town from age 4 to age 20 and my parents still live there.) I added it tonight. Please add to it if you have other primary sources. If it warrants expansion, I think a page on Deming Jarves would be good?

I also see the discussion about the early part of the history. I like lrsears proposed revision and would support it.

I do have a question about the motto. I know that the seal has the Latin motto, but as a former resident I remember being taught in school that the motto is "The Oldest Town on Cape Cod". Should that be incorporated somehow? What would be a good method to determine what's proper to cite?

Bill Collins, formerly of 15 Liberty Street —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varianor (talk • contribs) 04:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)