Talk:Saiin Station

Opening comment

I concur that Saiin Station and Sai-in Station should be merged, however some of the factual information in Sai-in Station is factually incorrect and in error. In keeping with other japanese station posts, I think that the hyphonization of the title is not necissary and should remain Saiin Station without the Hyphon.--Scottmcmaster 11:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

As stated in this article, the location of Hankyu Saiin Station is at Nishioji street and Shijo street. Hankyu Omiya station is located at Shijo street and Omiya street. This is one of the errors present in the Sai-in station article slated to be merged with this one. --Scottmcmaster 11:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Another factual error in the Sai-in article slated to be merged with this article is related to a retail store change; The Ninomiya Electronics outlet near Saiin station has been replaced by Joshin Electronics.--Scottmcmaster 12:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Further reasoning for the non-hyphonization of Saiin is that the station signs that can be found inside Saiin station do not themselves hyphonate Saiin in roman lettering.--Scottmcmaster 12:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Pachinko - Gambling or Gaming semantic diffrence or an issue of truth?

Having seen horse race beting and slot machines within pachinko parlors, I find it inconcievable how it is possible to deny that these are forms of gambling entertainment. These are classic examples of gambling; legalized gambling yes, but gambling nonetheless. What one may wish to call their pass-time inorder to clear their conscience interests me not. What does interest me is the honesty and factual accuracy of this article. The facts are that acts of gambling (legally justifiable as they may be) are occuring in these establishments. This is worthy of note, as the truth that it is. To deny the act of gambling is to deny the truth and pervert the truth, hardly an act befitting of an Encyclopedic article.--Scottmcmaster 05:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, gambling in the header would be more correct than the new sentence you added. Pachinko is not legalized gambling at all. It is specifically outlawed. Whether or not the authorities enforce it is besides the point. Tolerated ≠ Legal. The article on pachinko is worded fairly well I think. Also, if there are other activities going on inside the parlors besides pachinko, like off-track betting or whatever, then that should be noted. OTB facilites are not nearly as widespread as run-of-the-mill pachinko places. As for the gaming/gambling semantic, refer to Las Vegas metropolitan area#Economy. It is possible to go to a pachinko parlor for "fun", and not for "profit". (If your idea of fun is sitting in loud smoke-filled rooms for the chance to win a 10" stuffed Minnie Mouse). Neier 23:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe one can gamble for fun just as one can gamble for profit. I have enjoyed visiting several Charity Casinos, wherein the goal is to lose money for charity and enjoy playing cards, but I clearly was gambling at the time I was enjoying my card games.

The OTB Pachinko parlor that first comes to mind is located on kawaramachi street in kyoto and would be related to the kawaramachi station article.

The Los Vegas article was most interesting. I am constantly amazed at peoples capacity to spin facts inorder to morally justify their actions. The change in wording at least gives the air of moral justification for their actions, however it poorly conceals the reality of whats happening and it is truly shocking that their own intellect allows them to take part in such a poorly constructed deception. Thanks for your continued help and input in this article. I have changed Acceptable to Tolerated. In some establishments the reward for good play is a considerable amount of cash (this cash is granted by exchanging tokens or prizes for cash at Exchange centers usually very convienently positioned near the parkinglot. See the Pachinko#Basics article for details Quote from wiki Pachinko article. "illegal but from the sheer number of pachinko parlors in Japan it is clear that the activity is at least tacitly tolerated by the authorities." -Tolerated by authorites implies legal tolerance.- ) Some people have even sustained a professional Pachinko gamming life.--Scottmcmaster 10:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)