Talk:Remo Giazotto

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The true is, that "The fragment contained only the bass line", no more! Any 6 bars of melody! It was just a basso (or basso continuo) part! All other was composed by Giazotto. Gerea-en 16:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

"Yet, the compositions, not only the arrangements copyright note referring to his own name and the fact that this fragment has never occurred in public suggest that this is indeed a genious way to distributate but not an original from Albinoni."

I'd clean this up myself, but I can't work out what's intended. Mattmm 12:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've given it a go[edit]

I've had one go at trying to make sense of the cleanup paragraph. Discerning what's actually meant is fairly difficult. The sentence structure is all over the place, probably as a result of translations, I'd imagine.

Incorrect attribution or at least of date. You can hear the whole thing in violin and piano version in the soundtrack for the 1937 film "Song at Midnight" (yeban gesheng), Shanghai, 1937: that soundtrack music would have been "lifted" from a record (probably Pathe label)already current and in the public domain by then, so obviously put together in the late 20s or early 1930s. Giazotto had not yet had access to any Albinoni archives at that point, so I don't see how he could have been its first re-composer. Or if he was, he recomposed his own earlier work probably for copyright purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.65.26 (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence[edit]

Wikipedia claims that the Adagio in G Minor is a hoax, that it was entirely composed by Remo Giazotto with no original material from Albinoni. However, Giazotto himself has attested that the work was reconstructed, or constructed, based on real fragments of an original work by Albinoni from the Dresden State Library. See this link on the reconstruction of the work based on the fragment:

http://www.carlfischer.com/Fischer/pdf/YAS61sc.pdf

Essentially what Wikipedia is saying is that Giazotto is a liar and a cheat, but that instead of trying to pass off an exquisite masterpiece written by someone else as his own work, Giazotto supposedly did the opposite - write the masterpiece himself and then claim someone else wrote it. Since Albinoni was no longer famous by the end of WW2, this claim by Wikipedia is highly suspect. No doubt Wikipedia has the evidence to back up its claim that the work is a hoax. Giazotto, a highly respected musicologist, has stated his case. The burden is now on Wikipedia to debunk it.

Jacob Davidson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.186.27 (talk) 21:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.186.27 (talk)

As it seems, Giazotto was indeed more of "a liar and a cheat" than "a respected musicologist". His Stradella biography, for example, is called by Carolyn Gianturco "the most lamentable and scandalous of the 'invented' biographies", "a work damagingly deceptive because it presented what appeared to be archival documents concerning the composer's entire life and musical career but which proved instead to have been fabricated"! (The Role of Legend in Stradella Rezeption, p. 241, note 33). --109.46.167.168 (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright for the Adagio in G Minor[edit]

What is known for sure, I think, is that Giazotto copyrighted the Adagio in G Minor. The earliest mention of a copyright was added to the Wikipedia article by an anonymous user on 2007 April 29. This is about nine years after he died. Currently, it states that the work was copyrighted “recently“. I had hoped to replace that with a specific year, at least, and a reference, but neither of the existing references are available and even if I spoke Italian, I am not familiar with the Italian copyright system. If anyone can come up with that information, please add. For now, it remains “recently“ even though that was at least 15 years ago. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 03:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Mendacity! it's not just Albinoni - Giazotto is ambitiously and entertainingly fraudulent[edit]

This fella, Giazotto is way more interesting than this article in its current form presents. Not only did he write a beautiful piece of fake Albinoni, but thanks to the research of Carolyn Gianturco, it has been revealed that his humongous two volume biography of the wonderful and underrated Alessandro Stradella is a tissue of fiction and fakery. In the early 1980's, Gianturco was writing a new book on Stradella for OUP. She had some questions about the sources that Giazotto used in his "biography" and when she went to look at them, she found they aren't where they were supposed to be, and never had been. Heaven knows what his motives were. Take a look at this article Gianturco published in 1982 in The Musical Times (you can access through Google without paying a big fee to Jstor) https://www.jstor.org/stable/961594 Pascalulu88 (talk) 02:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]